New Hopper?
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This is my opinion of what I believe,Dish removed the OTA Module because it could cause a heat issue,the Dual OTA Tuners caused weaker signal levels.This is my own experience with my VIP922.
Well the real reason is exactly what Hall stated.
It because why install OTA in receiver that not many people acually use , when it's could save on receiver costs.
Both Directv and Dish required a seperate OTA unit.
And it's been that way since the HR21 from Directv and 722k was released prior to 2008.
Once the Dish and Directv started serving about 90% of the DMA with locals, there wasn't much reason to spend the money on OTA incorporation.
It because why install OTA in receiver that not many people acually use , when it's could save on receiver costs.
Both Directv and Dish required a seperate OTA unit.
And it's been that way since the HR21 from Directv and 722k was released prior to 2008.
Once the Dish and Directv started serving about 90% of the DMA with locals, there wasn't much reason to spend the money on OTA incorporation.
Just to Add the 922 has a long list of issues that have no answer.
OTA certainly has nothing to do with its weaknesses.
The 922s should have all been gathered up and and scrapped.
Out of the 1% of the VIP OTA crowd, only 1% acually use a 922 and think it's great.
The other 99% have a 722k and Know it's better then the 922.
Just to Add the 922 has a long list of issues that have no answer.
OTA certainly has nothing to do with its weaknesses.
The 922s should have all been gathered up and and scrapped.
Out of the 1% of the VIP OTA crowd, only 1% acually use a 922 and think it's great.
The other 99% have a 722k and Know it's better then the 922.
And I am that 1%.
Let me start this off by saying I hate the 922 with a firey passion.Just to Add the 922 has a long list of issues that have no answer.
OTA certainly has nothing to do with its weaknesses.
The 922s should have all been gathered up and and scrapped.
Out of the 1% of the VIP OTA crowd, only 1% acually use a 922 and think it's great.
The other 99% have a 722k and Know it's better then the 922.
The 922 was a fantastic Concept receiver. The problems it had were mostly because nobody wanted to take the time to make use of it in a way that would have been incredible. For awhile it had the largest harddrive in the industry at 1TB, and built in sling. The problem was that those two features alone didn't make it a hot seller, or something worth working on. They scrapped it 3 or 4 times and kept bringing it back. It did lead us into the Hopper, and we now have the best DVR on the market.
No the Tivo Roamio is the Best HD dvr on the Market.
Never cared about Sling, PTA, and never will.
I care about Speed reliability, ease of use, and lots of Function.
And as Previous Roamio customer , 6 tuners with Netflix, Amazon at every Mini from 1 Box.
Every Mini has the same reliable fast response as the Roamio.
Sorry Joeys are sad at best. And a 4 room system requires a Minimum of $36 in fees, $38 if you want a Comparable Roamio system.
Hoppers are top over HR44, but the C31s even work better then the Joeys.
If I could have 4 722k and have whole home DVR.
I would take that over a Hopper system.
My guess others including Dish have a similar Opinion since that's why there is a thread asking what we want in a Hopper.
If Dish and Tivo could and would Figure out a way to make a Smart card for Dish Network service.
I would Gladly Drop $1000 on Tivo equipment.
Dish has Great Programming package options, and a nice Channel line up, with a Good Whole Home services with the Hopper.
But I'm not Ready to hand out my award just yet!
More Tuners , Better system connectivity, and Reliable Joeys.
Then we'll talk.
Last night I was at 1176 shows and 100% full.
I had to go delete a bunch of stuff to make a little room.
I would like to see 6 tuners, at least one 6 TB hard drive plus a hot swap slot to add an internal EHD. Multiple Hopper integration. NO MORE BUGS, where is the Orkin Man when you need him.
Dish Anywhere that actually works on a PC all the time.
Let's say you had a 6 TB hard drive on a Hopper. Now, your Hopper dies. All that stuff you had on it dies with it unless, of course, you had three 2 TB EHDs to back it up. So, why not have you buy your own EHDs and back it up as opposed to paying for a 6 TB hard drive in every Hopper when most are happy with the 2 TB they already have.
1 or 2 TB is more then enough.
Someone whom does archiving isn't going to do it on a Piece of equipment that for one, Has no way to be viewed except for the Use of a specific providers equipment only, and certainly not something that has a very unpredictable life span.
Externals are the way to go,
I wouldn't care if Dish put in a 50TB hard drive. I still wouldn't archive on it.
Everything I have I want is on a Disk.
Someone whom does archiving isn't going to do it on a Piece of equipment that for one, Has no way to be viewed except for the Use of a specific providers equipment only, and certainly not something that has a very unpredictable life span.
Externals are the way to go,
I wouldn't care if Dish put in a 50TB hard drive. I still wouldn't archive on it.
Everything I have I want is on a Disk.
Would it be possible for the new Hopper to have access to cloud storage.? If so, cloud storage and on demand services could replace internal and external storage for those with fast internet service. For those of us with slow internet service we have to run our own on demand service via EHDs. For less than a years subscription cost to Netflix and Amazon Prime, I have bought EHDs to store my preferred TV shows and movies.
With the number of events that the Hopper can hold currently with the huge HDD it has, Dish has to decide what is "enough". If I'm not mistaken, outside of TiVo, no TV provider (cable or satellite) offers storage near what the Hopper does, right?
To some degree, the HDD offered can come down to pricing offered by the HDD manufacturers.
Lastly, bigger isn't anyways better or even necessary. My in-laws have DVRs but really only use it for pausing, rewinding, etc. One time I looked and they had (1) thing recorded.
To some degree, the HDD offered can come down to pricing offered by the HDD manufacturers.
Lastly, bigger isn't anyways better or even necessary. My in-laws have DVRs but really only use it for pausing, rewinding, etc. One time I looked and they had (1) thing recorded.
The closest competitor, unless it has changed, has a 1 TB HDD. That was the big deal when the Hopper come out. That and whole home.
If DISH (or AT&T) carried half of the channels available in each market, your argument would have some impact. On average, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of LIL channels carried is less than 40% of what is available in each market.
The utterly inexplicable thing that has happened is that AT&T seems to have silently discontinued the AN21 so their customers are screwed for OTA through their DVRs. Nothing like forcing the customers to seek out alternatives.
Tivo Roamio Pro has a 3 TB hard drive .
But yes as far as acual providers, I don't think anyone has over 1TB.
But External Sata drives and internal for Directv and Tivo are available.
Not sure about X1 .
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