New HD recievers. No idea on release

[SHEEPareBAD]

ok, we looked on starbase today and there are 3 new recievers scheduled to come out.

theres the VIP722 (dual tuner dvr) , the VIP612 (dual tuner dvr, one tv) and the VIP213 (single tuner) . all are like their predicessors except for one cool new feature.... SD upconversion!! the hard drives are the same size on the dvr's, and the cases for these are black, with blue writing, which makes them pretty slick. we searched over and over for any info for a release date, but nothing was mentioned.

thats all i got...

 

[harshness]

You would have benefited from reading the Team Summit recap 17 days ago.

The VIP213 as you put it is actually the long-promised ViP222 dual TV (HD/SD) receiver.

 

[SHEEPareBAD]

no, and no.

that recap said nothing about sd upconversion, unless the HD VOD means sd upconversion. and the 222 and the 213 are two seperate recievers. the 213 is the souped up version of the 211 and the 722 is the same for the 622. its what i read on starbase. i could get specs, but theyre the same as the old ones, except for the sd upconversion. and i know the summit says the 722 will have a 500gbhd, but starbase said nothing specific about that

 

[Pepper]

The ViP622 I have in my house right now upconverts SD to 1080i or 720p. Are you talking about something else?

 

[Cyclone]

WTF is starbase?

Anyway the new receivers will not upconvert SD to HD any differently than the 622 of today. Heck, I would likely bet that they all use the same video chips.

 

[Neutron]

The 622 upconverts SD??

 

[Kru83]

WTF is starbase?

Anyway the new receivers will not upconvert SD to HD any differently than the 622 of today. Heck, I would likely bet that they all use the same video chips.

starbase is echostar intranet. that can only be seen my echostar employees. thats where scott gets all his first look. it also say tech portal with more info that what u see online.

 

[lakebum431]

So it appears the OP knows what he is talking about after all. Maybe certain people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss what others say. . .

 

[mike123abc]

One wonders is SD upconversion is just another marketing bullet. All the Dish HD receivers to date have take standard definition programming and converted to 1080i/720p. I speculate it is just something they want to put in the sales brochures to make them appeal to new HDTV owners.

 

[lakebum431]

That is very possible mike123abc, but why would they make a whole new receiver for that. Why wouldn't they just add that to the list of features?

 

[tsduke]

One wonders is SD upconversion is just another marketing bullet. All the Dish HD receivers to date have take standard definition programming and converted to 1080i/720p. I speculate it is just something they want to put in the sales brochures to make them appeal to new HDTV owners.

IMHO, there is no way that the 480i SD programming is being upconverted to 1080i/720p. The SD channels would look much better than they do.

 

[Neutron]

IMHO, there is no way that the 480i SD programming is being upconverted to 1080i/720p. The SD channels would look much better than they do.

That's what I'm thinking.

Now my TV does upconvert everything to 1080p, but I can tell a difference despite that.

 

[Van]

Dish isnt known for building in much future upgrade capacity since they shelved the four digit series of receivers. So what does SD upconversion mean then? Will these new receivers take an standard digital signal and convert it to an hd quality source or something less such as hdlite so that people with hd sets ( specialy those large ones ) will finely be free of the door screen effect, if this is the case then talk about a majour selling point for Hd enthusiats. So if this is infact what it could do then it would require new hardware in the receiver and not just software?

 

[Jim5506]

IMHO, there is no way that the 480i SD programming is being upconverted to 1080i/720p. The SD channels would look much better than they do.

If you use a HDMI or Component connection to your 622, and set the output to 1080i or 720p, every signal coming into the 622 is up/down converted to the desired output resolution.

It's not like CSI where you can process a fuzzy picture and read the license plates on a car that was barely distinguishable before.

 

[Pepper]

Upconvert does not necessarily mean increased quality. Each of the original pixels is now several pixels but there's still the same number of them.

 

[tsduke]

If you use a HDMI or Component connection to your 622, and set the output to 1080i or 720p, every signal coming into the 622 is up/down converted to the desired output resolution.

It's not like CSI where you can process a fuzzy picture and read the license plates on a car that was barely distinguishable before.

This is simply not true. The best you will get is 480i over HDMI.

 

[Cyclone]

But that 480i signal is being "upconverted" to the 1080i(or 720p) signal that you tell the 622 to send to your TV via the HDMI connector. I'm not saying that is spectacular excellent quality upconversion, but mearly that the change from 480i to 1080i is indeed accomplished by the process known as upconversion.

Perhaps Dish is considering better code in their boxes to provide a much better upconversion result than they are currently providing. Heck the HTPC folks have been doing that for years.

 

[tsduke]

But that 480i signal is being "upconverted" to the 1080i(or 720p) signal that you tell the 622 to send to your TV via the HDMI connector. I'm not saying that is spectacular excellent quality upconversion, but mearly that the change from 480i to 1080i is indeed accomplished by the process known as upconversion.

Perhaps Dish is considering better code in their boxes to provide a much better upconversion result than they are currently providing. Heck the HTPC folks have been doing that for years.

To change the resolution would be up-scaling not upconversion. I'm pretty confident that the 622 is not capable of scaling a 480i format to 1080i or 720p.

I would love to be proven wrong, however.

Edit: The upconversion is so that a 480i signal can be output through HD outputs.

 

[DWS44]

The idea "crap in, crap out" comes to mind here! As overcompressed as the SD channels are now...it would seem any attempt at an actual upconversion would be useless.

 

[8bitbytes]

To change the resolution would be up-scaling not upconversion. I'm pretty confident that the 622 is not capable of scaling a 480i format to 1080i or 720p.

I would love to be proven wrong, however.

Edit: The upconversion is so that a 480i signal can be output through HD outputs.

The signal is indeed being scaled to 720p or 1080i.

HOWEVER:

The upscaling is not being done by a high end scaler and compression of the SD channel WILL effect how poorly that scaling will look.