New GEOSATpro microHD Receiver

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Brian, perhaps it's too late, but I would (usually it happened without my push ;) ) make PCB with many connectors, for development/evaluation stage; so at time of cost reduction it would be missing some components on the PCB and connectors: like some components, like SPDIF, like eSATA, etc.
Perhaps it happen with the box too ? Then disclose what components need populate and DYI project will make happy some of us.

Sorry, about 8 months late on hardware requests..... The microHD PCB is a unique build specifically designed to minimize the footprint. The hardware build has already received ETL certification and FCC part 15 verification. The PCB has been produced and components ordered. Assembly has been booked in February after the Chinese New Year holiday.

The microHD is not based a typical generic PCB design with an unpopulated component builds for multiple OEM configurations. We chose the external connections and supported devices prior to the PCB design and only incorporated the necessary traces and components to support this specific design. The ongoing strength of our project is in the SDK module approach to firmware development. The firmware will be easily implemented in any future configurations utilizing the family of chipsets.

BTW, the only connection available that is not visible from the STB exterior is a PCB mounted header for serial connection.
 
Well maybe if you were a company building something from the ground up. But if your just going to grab off the shelf stuff and put it together.....Do they make a portable TV that uses E-Ink?
 
i don't think this question has been made or answered yet. with my solomend/openbox i can move the dish when it needs alignment with the solomend controller changing the count for the gbox. probably missed that in the discussion. can the microhd do this? charlie
 
Well maybe if you were a company building something from the ground up. But if your just going to grab off the shelf stuff and put it together.....Do they make a portable TV that uses E-Ink?

Well, I mean [slow refresh rate] service panel installed in the boxes like this, where is 1 sec delay is not an issue.
No, you would not use eInk panels for TV because of that rate, major plus of it is lower power consumption and best readability on sunlight.
 
If the purpose of a portable self contained case is for providing a signal meter function, a one second delay on the meter reading updating would drive me insane!

Would a screen polarizer on a regular LCD or LED provide a better solution for direct sunlight viewing?
 
Yeah I would not want a 1 second delay. I would go nuts.
 
If the purpose of a portable self contained case is for providing a signal meter function, a one second delay on the meter reading updating would drive me insane!

Would a screen polarizer on a regular LCD or LED provide a better solution for direct sunlight viewing?
I heard latest eInk display could do refresh in 200 mS; the technology is changing pretty fast. You'll not win the fight with sunlight with LCD and will lost energy of your battery fast if will go to brighter LCD/TFT models.
 
I heard latest eInk display could do refresh in 200 mS; the technology is changing pretty fast. You'll not win the fight with sunlight with LCD and will lost energy of your battery fast if will go to brighter LCD/TFT models.

When aligning dishes on a bright sunny day, I shade my 7" LCD TV screen or even my 13" RGB CRT with a cardboard box open on one side. Works pretty good.
 
One feature that I appreciate on our Zenith DTT901 Digital tv converter box is the ZOOM button on the remote that allows the user to instantly choose several picture display modes: Set by Program, Cropped, Squeezed, or Letterbox.

We find many programs on FTA satellite that I would like to be able to easily choose a different display mode for, like I do with the Zenith box for OTA programs.

Perhaps this could be incorporated in a v2 remote and enabled in software?

Sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't read all 56 pages of posts.
 
Phew! 56 pages in one pass...a lot of info
Maybe the name of this thread should be changed to "Build your own custom Satellite Box HERE!"
Brian's been awesome fielding all the wishlist post and knocking most of them out of the park....and asking for more. Ya just cant beat that.

As I read thru, I thought of a couple of things as well.....

1- Like the post above, the ability to cycle thru the resolution/format options via a dedicated button on the remote is really handy. May have to wait for the V2 remote along with multi address function.

2- A pet peeve of mine. Use an abbreviatedand much smaller "info/signal" display upon ch changes, NOT taking up half the screen. A second push of a remote button would bring up the more detailed info and a 3rd press would clear the display before the default time out.

3- "Half Mute" or what was soft mute on an old Hitachi I had....really miss it. A user definable "soft level" would even be better!

4- user definable blindscan frequency step. Did see that the chipset did not support user definable but perhaps user selectable, from a fixed list like the LO selection feature?

5- I know LAN features are a sore subject after the box getting dis'd for not having it...and we all know what ELSE it is used for, but I'm not thinking so robust. How about FW routines that just enables ethernet over usb for streaming to a PC running VideoLAN or similar software to record straight to a networked PC, or NAS for that matter. Perhaps the SDK supports a FW routine for this and we just have to add an external USB to Ethernet adapter?
Also, with the proper playback setup, wouldnt this also solve the 4:2:2 feature allowing for a slight timshifted playback?
As an alternative, perhaps USB routines that support a hub where multi USB drives could be connected. Menu selection of one for current record/timeshifte and allow the other(s) to be unplugged and connected to a PC for editing/archiving. A sort of hot swap if you will.

6- I saw mention of development towards a spectrum analyzer mode...how cool would that be? ...even with relative markers that would be eyecandy with a function! Knowing the exact spikes would be the ultimate but spikes referenced from the selected center freq by just screen linearity could still prove useful.

7- Seems it's a moot point other than in one instance "because they are" regarding scanning in more than 128 services....is it possible set hi/lo limits so they could be done in 128 chunks?
A bit of manual manipulation would still be required but at least the scan would be automated.

8- About recording stopping on transponder LOS. Is there/shouldnt there be a means to set a delay for a signal that may drop below lock threshold for brief period(s). To kill a recording because the signal momentarily dropped is literally overkill isnt it?

I see 1g of RAM mentioned, how big is the flash for the FW? With all these wishlist items you keep fixing for us might we be running out of room soon?....lol

Brian, no one could ask for more consideration and involvement. My thanks for your dedication to the hobbyist in all of us and giving the community such a platform to air our wants and desires in a mass production product.
If there was a way to build on what you have here, and economically add ATSC to the next gen without a complete overhaul, I could see one of these in every household that does OTA now. A stepping stone to FTA for those that would not normally have considered it. I'll take one of these as soon as you get them in and a couple of the ATSC version when you roll them out. (I have faith!...lol)

(DISCLAIMER: There will be those that have not read the ENTIRE thread, and say "...but he said ATSC"....
Brian has said nothing about ATSC or a future V2 ,V3 etc Just some wishlist silliness on my part)

If you really want to go all out add composite/component as a DVR input......
Perhaps too much to wish for now, but there's always a V2 or V3 down the road somewhere...lol
 
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1- Like the post above, the ability to cycle thru the resolution/format options via a dedicated button on the remote is really handy. May have to wait for the V2 remote along with multi address function.

Possibly on 2nd Generation. The RCU resolution button was removed on purpose as it would could cause undesired support calls for a "fat fingered" regular user.


2- A pet peeve of mine. Use an abbreviatedand much smaller "info/signal" display upon ch changes, NOT taking up half the screen. A second push of a remote button would bring up the more detailed info and a 3rd press would clear the display before the default time out.
Currently no meter display on the Channel Banner. Will consider the display when we redesign the GUI on a future version. The dedicated Signal Meter button keep button pushing minimized.


3- "Half Mute" or what was soft mute on an old Hitachi I had....really miss it. A user definable "soft level" would even be better!
I like the half mute suggestion as well! It is on the list.


4- user definable blindscan frequency step. Did see that the chipset did not support user definable but perhaps user selectable, from a fixed list like the LO selection feature?
ALI chipsets perform signal analysis. The parameters of the analysis have some options, but no possibility for MHz selectable steps. We have provided two Blind Scan steps: Normal and Detailed


5- How about FW routines that just enables ethernet over usb for streaming to a PC running VideoLAN or similar software to record straight to a networked PC, or NAS for that matter. Perhaps the SDK supports a FW routine for this and we just have to add an external USB to Ethernet adapter?
Also, with the proper playback setup, wouldnt this also solve the 4:2:2 feature allowing for a slight timshifted playback?
As an alternative, perhaps USB routines that support a hub where multi USB drives could be connected. Menu selection of one for current record/timeshifte and allow the other(s) to be unplugged and connected to a PC for editing/archiving. A sort of hot swap if you will.
This chipset does not support ethernet streaming. To be honest, this is not a development that has been targeted for this STB, otherwise we would have developed on a different chipset. This may be possible on an upcoming chipset release, but that is unconfirmed at this time. Have had no success at supporting multi-port USB adapters. Might be possible, but not a priority at this time.

6- I saw mention of development towards a spectrum analyzer mode...
Correct. This feature will be accessed through the installation menus. At this time it is only eye candy and will be implemented when calibrated.


7- Seems it's a moot point other than in one instance "because they are" regarding scanning in more than 128 services....is it possible set hi/lo limits so they could be done in 128 chunks?
This MUX does not have the services and tables organized and the scan will usually time out while organizing the tables. Sometimes the scan will log 128 services then on 6 or 8 services found during the next scan then 60 on the next to be followed by some scans with no services found. PID range or limits would not change this. The PIDs and tables are added to the transponders list as they are gathered. This prevents service duplicates, but is a bit laborious....


8- About recording stopping on transponder LOS. Is there/shouldnt there be a means to set a delay for a signal that may drop below lock threshold for brief period(s). To kill a recording because the signal momentarily dropped is literally overkill isnt it?
This delay is firmware adjustable. I believe that it currently is defaulted to 15 seconds.

I see 1g of RAM mentioned, how big is the flash for the FW?
2 Mb


If there was a way to build on what you have here, and economically add ATSC to the next gen
Building an ATSC module into a DVB STB is not as easy as one would like to imagine. ATSC is just enough alike and different from the DVB standard to drive a developer crazy with the fantasy of combining...... A PC managing cards or LAN devices and pulling EPG data from the Internet provides a much better experience than trying to make two dissimilar products try to coexist within the hardware of an STB that doesn't quite get both services with optimal performance. Wouldn't lose any sleep in dreaming about a GEOSATpro DVB/ATSC STB..... ;)


If you really want to go all out add composite/component as a DVR input
So add a MPEG2 / 4 encoder? Now that is a big "out of the box" thought...... The cost of that option would at least double the cost. :eek:
 
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I'm not sure how the S9 and S10 work, but my Solomend receiver can't provide outputs through HDMI and composite simultaneously due to resolution issues. Can the MicroHD do this? I'd like to supply a composite output to my ancient slingbox at the same time the receiver is connected to my TV through HDMI. Thanks.
 
The Solomend works exactly like an S9, and as far as I know, with recent firmware you can use the HD and composite outputs simultaneously. At least that's what people have said -- I never use the composite on mine unless I take it outside to align a dish, and I haven't done that in a long time.
 
Possibly on 2nd Generation. The RCU resolution button was removed on purpose as it would could cause undesired support calls for a "fat fingered" regular user.
LOL...Yup, fat fingered....I resemble that guy....An enhanced feature remote for multi addys etc will be a nice extension of this STBs abilities.
Currently no meter display on the Channel Banner. Will consider the display when we redesign the GUI on a future version. The dedicated Signal Meter button keep button pushing minimized.
Good deal, because S/Q really not needed there if you have a dedicated button on the remote. I dont know what info display you had in mind for the GUI, was just saying please dont be obnoxious with the ch to ch info overlay. Sounds like the meter button w/toggle is a better implementation of the concept anyway.
Like you said, GUIs are second to function so any of that can be addressed later anyway. I recall you mentioned custom "skins" are under consideration. If that means similar to the stuff done for Winamp, Opera and some of the other "skinnable" apps out there that would be pretty cool, and likely would address the obnoxious overlay syndrome I've seen on other STBs (and CECBs)
I like the half mute suggestion as well! It is on the list.
Good to know. Yeah, it's one of those things that once youve had it, you kind of whine a bit when your other tech stuff doesnt support it....lol

ALI chipsets perform signal analysis. The parameters of the analysis have some options, but no possibility for MHz selectable steps. We have provided two Blind Scan steps: Normal and Detailed
Options....hmmmm...sound interesting! Again, was just a thought could be helpful in some situations, but you say the tuner chip is pretty hot and quick so that HW would (and should) carry the lion's share of blind scan sensitivity and accuracy anyway.

This chipset does not support ethernet streaming. To be honest, this is not a development that has been targeted for this STB, otherwise we would have developed on a different chipset. This may be possible on an upcoming chipset release, but that is unconfirmed at this time. Have had no success at supporting multi-port USB adapters. Might be possible, but not a priority at this time.
That's unfortunate, but I do understand the chipset selection is for this product did not take into account implementing such a feature. Much more important what it will do than what it wont. If possible to add IP media streaming to a future next tier STB design, I dont think I'd be the only one that would be interested, especially considering the attention to detail and support I see in this product.
The multi port USB was an "Well if not that (TCP/IP support) then maybe this" thing. I'm no programmer, so the ease of adding a routine to do this was just speculation....and a bit of wishful thinking...lol The whole line of thinking was born of "You cant share a USB device" and finding an easy way to get the media to the PC for manipulation. As virally widespread as USB has become it is not the next best thing since sliced bread, but the garden variety USB user doesnt know that, so all is well in the land of periphera...lol

Correct. This feature will be accessed through the installation menus. At this time it is only eye candy and will be implemented when calibrated.
I think it would be a super feature even if calibration wasnt exact. One of my "roundtuit" projects is to drive the VCO in one of these old analog boatanchors with a sawtooth wave out of the SM and see what I can feed to the scope......but I like your idea even better....lol
This MUX does not have the services and tables organized and the scan will usually time out while organizing the tables. Sometimes the scan will log 128 services then on 6 or 8 services found during the next scan then 60 on the next to be followed by some scans with no services found. PID range or limits would not change this. The PIDs and tables are added to the transponders list as they are gathered. This prevents service duplicates, but is a bit laborious....
It seemed there had been considerable effort in trying to solve the dilemma before you reported the HW limitation. I didnt know if that (scan limits) was considered, or even a viable approach. At least "128 services is enough for anyone" wont be as infamous as "640k is enough memory for anyone" - Bill Gates or "The airwaves belong to everyone" - Charlie Ergan ...lol

This delay is firmware adjustable. I believe that it currently is defaulted to 15 seconds.
Hmmm......goes to personal preferences I guess, but I'd look for something a bit longer myself. I'd hate to chop off a desired program for loss of signal for seconds. I dont know what I'd shoot for, but a couple of minutes worth of "dead air" HD space at the end a finished recording cant be that big of a cost.
If you plan to keep customizing the FW for the hobbyist crowd, bet ya V2 gets a bigger one!...lol

Building an ATSC module into a DVB STB is not as easy as one would like to imagine. ATSC is just enough alike and different from the DVB standard to drive a developer crazy with the fantasy of combining...... A PC managing cards or LAN devices and pulling EPG data from the Internet provides a much better experience than trying to make two dissimilar products try to coexist within the hardware of an STB that doesn't quite get both services with optimal performance. Wouldn't lose any sleep in dreaming about a GEOSATpro DVB/ATSC STB..... ;)
It escapes me why the ATSC was born to begin with. DVB was proven tech, and (digital) ATSC born of NTSC VSB AM was just stupid. Prolly fine for cable likw QAM and the like but not for path loss transmission. Unfortunately it is what we are stuck with. It would be nice to have a "one box does it all" solution but I do understand two paths (processes) ending up at the same output point is more complex and expensive, especially considering the SOIC designs.

So add a MPEG2 / 4 encoder? Now that is a big "out of the box" thought...... The cost of that option would at least double the cost. :eek:
Well that's not exactly what I was thinking, but it does suffer the same complications as adding ATSC.......the SOIC. Either thru it or around it. Neither a desirable choice.
The alternative being a parallel PVR SOIC subsystem capable of sharing the storage media with the DVB system.....but now we are back to sharing a USB device....yup....headache.

Actually, and I realize it's not the target audience for this product, but MPEG2/4 encoding and recording of external sources at twice the est. MSRP would still be reasonable, if not a decent value. Compare to HD PVRs that just record, no DVB/S2.
But then TIVO would sic their ambulance chasers on ya 'cause they invented recording stuff to a hard drive...........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

My thanks again Brian for your interest in what we'd like to see.
You had me at "Tell us what you want". I'm really curious about the surprize bonus feature. :popcorn
It's going to be a feeding frenzy...lol
Anyone remember that TJ MAXX commercial where the woman is standing at the door at 4:00 AM waiting for the sale going "Open, Open, Open"....

How many dang New Year's Day hangovers in a row can one take?
 
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Hope it works a diseqc and 22khz switches right, I've run into a couple of mule-headed boxes that won't switch properly, or take 15 seconds at least to do it, lol.
I thinking of doing a poll here, How many pages will this thread hit before the receiver goes on sale, 75? 100? more?? hehe
 
I'm not sure how the S9 and S10 work, but my Solomend receiver can't provide outputs through HDMI and composite simultaneously due to resolution issues. Can the MicroHD do this? I'd like to supply a composite output to my ancient slingbox at the same time the receiver is connected to my TV through HDMI. Thanks.

The microHD composite output is fixed at 480i (NTSC). The HDMI output is variable to be selected by source, output device or fixed at 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p @30fps or 1080p @ 60fps. The Openboxes, Manhattan, Sathawk and Solemond versions only support up to 1080i resolution.
 
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