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I am a Sharks season ticket holder and DISH customer, and I am pissed. I've tried talking/chatting with several agents, and all they would give me is a $5 credit. I could have sworn when DTV and Versus had their dispute some people were given Center Ice to compensate for it. That would shut me up and make me a happy guy. $5 isn't going to cut it. I probably watch the channel more than any other in my entire package.

Don't really feel like going through the hassle of switching (even though I am out of contract) but I have a DirecTV installation appointment setup for later next week, if DISH doesn't resolve this or offer me fair compensation in the next few days I am gone.
 
you do realize that even if you got NHL CI you wouldnt be able to see any Sharks games as its an out of market package. Local games are blacked out
 
I can't imagine how even the most staunch Dish mouthpiece could defend this move on Dish's part.

I know I am gone as soon as my DSL with Frontier is up at the end of December. The Comcast package is just too tempting and I won't have to deal with the crap that Dish seems to be heaping on us more and more these days.
 
So that's why the Shark's games have been in SD rather than HD on CI lately. I thought it was due to choices by Dish on usage of their limited bandwidth...
 
Iceberg said:
you do realize that even if you got NHL CI you wouldnt be able to see any Sharks games as its an out of market package. Local games are blacked out
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I've never fully understood the blackout rule. I live about 200 miles from San Jose. Before this dispute I have been able to watch Sharks games on CI all the time. But, when the Sharks are on NFLHD I am blacked out. It's usually not a big deal for me as I'm a Red Wings fan. But they are playing the Sharks Tuesday on NHLHD and I won't be able to see the game. Are there two separate rules as to what is considered blackout coverge range?
 
bobinchico said:
I've never fully understood the blackout rule. I live about 200 miles from San Jose. Before this dispute I have been able to watch Sharks games on CI all the time. But, when the Sharks are on NFLHD I am blacked out. It's usually not a big deal for me as I'm a Red Wings fan. But they are playing the Sharks Tuesday on NHLHD and I won't be able to see the game. Are there two separate rules as to what is considered blackout coverge range?
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with the NHL and the NHL Net the rule is pretty simple
If the team on NHL net claims your area its blacked out on NHL Net forcing you watch it on the local RSN. SO I cannot watch any MN Wild games on the NHL Net (sadly including the HNIC games that are shown the next day)
 
Well 2010 has been a notorious and not a great year for program carrier contract disputes. Cablevision lost WABC from NYC, but resolved. Months later, they taken away WNYW (FOX) and WWOR (MNT) and FOX related networks. It was resolved. Simular story when E* resolved the FOX dispute. Then ATT U-Verse dropped Hallmark and Hallmark Movie Channel. Later Food Network, Cooking Channel, and Scripps Networks related. E* taken away HD feeds of Disney Channel, Disney XD, ABC Family, and ESPNNews. D* dropped G4. But months earlier, they resolved the Versus dispute. There was a threat of E* dropping various affiliated stations owned by Belo (For example, WCNC-TV 36 NBC affiliate in Charlotte, NC). It didn't happen. E* tried to dumped The Weather Channel for a cheap knock off called WeatherCast. It failed. E* dropped MSG and MSG Plus from NYC. Also E* stunned its subscribers by dropping Fuse infavor of Palladia. Now E* dropping Comcast California after losing an FCC battle I think.

This was before I have satellite, remember when E* dropped Viacom channels (Nickelodeon, MTV, VH1, etc.) in 2004? Remember when E* dropped Outdoor Channel (now Versus) in 2005? Remember when E* dropped Lifetime and LMN in 2006? As a result of the Lifetime dispute, LMN was put to a higher package until 2008. Remember when E* lost the privledge to broadcast East/West feeds of ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox after violating the so-called SHVERA law in 2006? Remember when E* dumped CourtTV (now TruTV) in 2007? Some of these were disputes.
 
It amazes me that DISH could care less about these large markets like San Francisco/Oakland and NYC. That's a ton of casual sports fans/subscribers that they are just giving up on to their competition.

Amazing. :confused:
 
Dish needs to make up its mind as to what it is going to do in the long run about sports. The current policy seems to be, well it is too expensive so we will just drop it, but not adjust the customer package's price. They blew the opportunity to fix it during the FOX dispute. They really needed to hold out to make RSNs optional and just pay the RSNs what they want and let the customer choose to sub to them or not. Of course the RSNs do not want that, they want to be in the package, and charge what they want to charge.
 
Don't forget that little-known sports city called Chicago (home of this years' Stanley-Cup Champion Blackhawks) and this market called Washington, D.C....
I will dump DISH within weeks if CSN Midwest (Chicago) is taken down. I could swing a deal for D* to reimburse me for Center Ice. There is also online. I am with DISH for two reasons, the DVR's and the sports (I joined two months before the MLB Blowout in 2007). I can add TiVo's and Roku for MLB...and save money over a DISH bill. DISH needs RSN's in HD 24/7, preferably MLB. Otherwise they will shed whatever local/distant sports fans they still have. It comes to a point where you need a backup system. See my sig...
 
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bobinchico said:
I've never fully understood the blackout rule. I live about 200 miles from San Jose. Before this dispute I have been able to watch Sharks games on CI all the time. But, when the Sharks are on NFLHD I am blacked out. It's usually not a big deal for me as I'm a Red Wings fan. But they are playing the Sharks Tuesday on NHLHD and I won't be able to see the game. Are there two separate rules as to what is considered blackout coverge range?
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My experience is the same as yours but with the Dallas stars. I live a few hundred miles away and get blacked out only on NHL network, not on any of the other center ice channels.

I looked into the rules a few years ago and it seems that there is a 50 mile sphere where one will be blacked out on center ice, but if your local rsn (mine is fox sports southwest) gets the game at all it will be blacked out on NHL network regardless of distance.
 






Comcast Seeks Suspension Of Dish Arbitration Order Against Three RSNs

Sends Letter To FCC Media Bureau Chief Lake Following DBS Provider's Drop Of CSN California

Mike Reynolds -- Multichannel News, 11/24/2010 8:09:42 PM



In the wake of Dish cutting off Comcast SportsNet California at midnight on Nov. 24, following a loss in an FCC arbitration hearing, Comcast sent an email to FCC Media Bureau Chief William Lake to consider the suspension of arbitration proceedings involving Dish versus three of its other RSNs.
The email, sent to Lake on Nov. 24, explains how Dish cut off CSN California 12 hours after an FCC arbitrator -- the proceedings were enacted by the DBS provider under a condition established by the commission for the approval of Comcast's purchase of Adelphia Communications in 2006 -- had ruled favorably for the RSN.
Dish then "unilaterally terminated" its carriage of the network, "depriving hundreds of thousands of consumers of this highly valued programming."

CSN California and Dish had been out of contract since September 2009, but remained on the DBS company's air until today.
The missive then mentions that there are other Dish arbitrations demands pending against three other Comcast RSNs, and that Comcast fears that if the No. 2 DBS provider is "unhappy with any of the results in these related matters," it might do the same thing, thus depriving millions of the sports fare.
Dish and Comcast also are out of contract with CSN Chicago, CSN Mid-Atlantic and CSN Bay Area.
Comcast's letter concludes by asking for a meeting to consider these issues and "an immediate suspension of the arbitration order with respect to Dish."
It also said it would be "useful" to have Dish representatives attend the meetings.
FCC officials could not be reached for comment on Wednesday night.


So much for arbitration and Dish.


Jim
 
jimdandyvi said:






Comcast Seeks Suspension Of Dish Arbitration Order Against Three RSNs

Sends Letter To FCC Media Bureau Chief Lake Following DBS Provider's Drop Of CSN California

Mike Reynolds -- Multichannel News, 11/24/2010 8:09:42 PM



In the wake of Dish cutting off Comcast SportsNet California at midnight on Nov. 24, following a loss in an FCC arbitration hearing, Comcast sent an email to FCC Media Bureau Chief William Lake to consider the suspension of arbitration proceedings involving Dish versus three of its other RSNs.
The email, sent to Lake on Nov. 24, explains how Dish cut off CSN California 12 hours after an FCC arbitrator -- the proceedings were enacted by the DBS provider under a condition established by the commission for the approval of Comcast's purchase of Adelphia Communications in 2006 -- had ruled favorably for the RSN.
Dish then "unilaterally terminated" its carriage of the network, "depriving hundreds of thousands of consumers of this highly valued programming."

CSN California and Dish had been out of contract since September 2009, but remained on the DBS company's air until today.
The missive then mentions that there are other Dish arbitrations demands pending against three other Comcast RSNs, and that Comcast fears that if the No. 2 DBS provider is "unhappy with any of the results in these related matters," it might do the same thing, thus depriving millions of the sports fare.
Dish and Comcast also are out of contract with CSN Chicago, CSN Mid-Atlantic and CSN Bay Area.
Comcast's letter concludes by asking for a meeting to consider these issues and "an immediate suspension of the arbitration order with respect to Dish."
It also said it would be "useful" to have Dish representatives attend the meetings.
FCC officials could not be reached for comment on Wednesday night.


So much for arbitration and Dish.


Jim
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So much for trying to tell Charlie Ergen what channel Dish Network will carry and at what price.:rolleyes:
 
Let me understand Comcast's reasoning... They want to end arbitration and have Dish immediately cut the other 3 RSNs off right away? And they are complaining that millions will be deprived?
 
With E* hemoraging subscribers and D* adding subs, it would seem to me E* is no position to be calling the shots.
These disputes cannot be helping E*'s bottom line.
Sports fans in NYC, CHI, SAN, PHI and DC are out in the cold with E* as the service no longer carries the RSN's out of those cities.
Those are very large markets to be surrendering. What's more, these are cities with several pay options. So it is not as though E* subs would be stuck going to just cable.
IMO this is bad business by E* mgmnt.
 
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