Networks Refuse Google TV
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Surely everyone knew this would happen, right? They have blocked every other device that ever tried this.
That article says even HULU is blocking itself being shown on GoogleTV. That's a complete and utter deal breaker for GoogleTV!
HULU is still at present pretty much the premiere site for viewing many shows, and if GoogleTv can't use them, forget it. I'll stay with PLAYON media server and my WDTVLIVE device, as they always re-do when Hulu blocks them, and are back up and running quickly. Yeah, I have to leave a pc up and running as a server at those times, but that doesn't bother me much.
HULU is still at present pretty much the premiere site for viewing many shows, and if GoogleTv can't use them, forget it. I'll stay with PLAYON media server and my WDTVLIVE device, as they always re-do when Hulu blocks them, and are back up and running quickly. Yeah, I have to leave a pc up and running as a server at those times, but that doesn't bother me much.
Read closer. They are working on a deal with Hulu PLUS, which is Hulu's new subscription service, and costs $10 a month on top of everything else.
So now, 4 to dish, 5 to Hulu... So it's 9 a month to use the device. I bet this was planned. Let them get ordered, then drop the hulu hammer... lol. I'm so done with all this. The system I have works great. Video on my Windows 7 Media Center box. Launch media center on my Xbox 360 and watch music and listen to video. That is how we watch all of my daughters cartoons. I am waiting for the next one.
Total cost of ownership on a Google TV Box just went from 179.99 to 179.99 plus 167.88 a year for Google TV Integration and Hulu Plus... or 107.40 a year at the suggested new pricing ($4 + 4.95 for Hulu Plus). Adds up, doesn't it (where you at Kosmo? LOL).
I won't derail this thread, but I think the next Dish Network DVR is going to be really great. They usually follow a flop with a good one. In another thread, I compared the 922 to Vista and 722K to XP. I'm sure the next Dish box will have GTV right there in it as well as some more powerful hardware that runs cool.
Total cost of ownership on a Google TV Box just went from 179.99 to 179.99 plus 167.88 a year for Google TV Integration and Hulu Plus... or 107.40 a year at the suggested new pricing ($4 + 4.95 for Hulu Plus). Adds up, doesn't it (where you at Kosmo? LOL).
I won't derail this thread, but I think the next Dish Network DVR is going to be really great. They usually follow a flop with a good one. In another thread, I compared the 922 to Vista and 722K to XP. I'm sure the next Dish box will have GTV right there in it as well as some more powerful hardware that runs cool.
You don't have to pay DISH to use it if you don't want it. By paying you can program timers, and get guide data in the Google TV interface.
You don't pay it you then use the IR Blaster and it will control your DISH Network receiver fine.
(Note I haven't tested this yet. But it is something i have been told)
You don't pay it you then use the IR Blaster and it will control your DISH Network receiver fine.
(Note I haven't tested this yet. But it is something i have been told)
Here I am kditty
If you recall, my response was to your statement that you would spend $2 per month, but not $4.
This talk of increasing fees is just another reason to not be an early adopter of these new products. Usually it's only the promise of the functionality and/or features. But, now the landscape is changing with all of these third parties joining the fray.
I'll definitely wait to see how things shake out with the Revue box, both from a fee and a technical perspective. I did the same with the 922 and I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on it..
Here I am kditty
If you recall, my response was to your statement that you would spend $2 per month, but not $4.
This talk of increasing fees is just another reason to not be an early adopter of these new products. Usually it's only the promise of the functionality and/or features. But, now the landscape is changing with all of these third parties joining the fray.
I'll definitely wait to see how things shake out with the Revue box, both from a fee and a technical perspective. I did the same with the 922 and I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on it..
I was just messing with you... Although the K was an accident. I agree. I stopped early adopting a couple of years back after I had my little girl. I have yet to regret it. Oh, I am very, very glad I didn't pull the trigger on the 922. I kept my 722K/OTA combo and am still super happy with it.
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And to add to Scott's comment:
You don't have to pay for Hulu Plus either. You don't even have to use the app if you don't want to. Same as the Netflix app OR the Amazon-on-Demand app. They are all options and you can choose if you want to subscribe to them or not. Much like the programming packages that DISH offers. I have no interest in getting the premium movie channels my AT250 (or whatever it's called now) is fine for me. If you do choose to subscibe to Hulu Plus, you can use the GoogleTV, the iPhone, the iPad, the PS3 whatever you want to use to watch it. Same with Netflix. NONE of this stuff is a requirement for GoogleTV. If you're going to look at is as Google and DISH nickel and diming you then fine. The box isn't for you... move along. I can't wait to get one and the Hulu Plus eventual integration is just another bullet point positive for me since I already subscribe to it and Netflix and have a digital library with Amazon-on-Demand. Hell if it could only see my iTunes purchased shows and movies, I'd be happy as a clam. How was being
(And I'm happy with my 922 too. I was BEFORE full EHD access was enabled.)
The issue here is about how the broadcast networks STILL don't get it. GoogleTV as many people here have pointed out. Is a lot like plugging a laptop or a Media Center PC into your big screen TV. Why are the networks okay with that and not with GoogleTV. Either way, their programming is being consumed. Ads are being seen. What is the quantifiable difference between the two. I'm not seeing it. Hulu is told by their content providers to block access to set-top boxes. Why? No one has been able to sufficiently answer that question.
You don't have to pay for Hulu Plus either. You don't even have to use the app if you don't want to. Same as the Netflix app OR the Amazon-on-Demand app. They are all options and you can choose if you want to subscribe to them or not. Much like the programming packages that DISH offers. I have no interest in getting the premium movie channels my AT250 (or whatever it's called now) is fine for me. If you do choose to subscibe to Hulu Plus, you can use the GoogleTV, the iPhone, the iPad, the PS3 whatever you want to use to watch it. Same with Netflix. NONE of this stuff is a requirement for GoogleTV. If you're going to look at is as Google and DISH nickel and diming you then fine. The box isn't for you... move along. I can't wait to get one and the Hulu Plus eventual integration is just another bullet point positive for me since I already subscribe to it and Netflix and have a digital library with Amazon-on-Demand. Hell if it could only see my iTunes purchased shows and movies, I'd be happy as a clam. How was being
(And I'm happy with my 922 too. I was BEFORE full EHD access was enabled.)
The issue here is about how the broadcast networks STILL don't get it. GoogleTV as many people here have pointed out. Is a lot like plugging a laptop or a Media Center PC into your big screen TV. Why are the networks okay with that and not with GoogleTV. Either way, their programming is being consumed. Ads are being seen. What is the quantifiable difference between the two. I'm not seeing it. Hulu is told by their content providers to block access to set-top boxes. Why? No one has been able to sufficiently answer that question.
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I am in total agreement on the broadcast networks. I work in radio (as a Program Director & IT Manager for our 6 stations). I watched the music companies do this same stupidity in the early days of digital music downloads (well, actually, they are still doing lots of stupid stuff). Broadcast Network=Record Label...
And hopefully, both of those will eventually be a thing of the past.
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While we are on that, let's look at Dish and Fox and compare to Apple and Universal Music Group. They had a standoff. Apple eventually got them to concede to almost all of their demands, because they have power (the largest music store in the world via iTunes). They gave a little, though and agreed to do tiered pricing up t a certain dollar amount based on the popularity of the song. Now, Dish is no Apple (ie, they are not the largest pay TV provider), but the still have 14 million potential viewers. Fox is being stupid. This OTA stuff is going to get them screwed, BUT, I wouldn't say that if Cablevision had not gotten involved. Now, you have two parties with the same complaint.
Fox (and all the other networks) are dinosaurs. They don't see the potential in digital media. They want to 'hold on' to the old business practice AND hold providers hostage.
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Not getting this...
So, I can visit NBC.com on my laptop and watch an episode of The Office via the website for free. I can even connect my laptop to my plasma via the HDMI port and view in splendid 50 inches. NBC however wants to stop me from doing this with my Revue Box. Why? If they are already offering the content free for anyone with web access via computer then what's the diff?
So, I can visit NBC.com on my laptop and watch an episode of The Office via the website for free. I can even connect my laptop to my plasma via the HDMI port and view in splendid 50 inches. NBC however wants to stop me from doing this with my Revue Box. Why? If they are already offering the content free for anyone with web access via computer then what's the diff?
100% of typical users will be viewing it on a TV is the difference, just like 100% of typical users would watch it on a phone if they're using a certain browser agent, they want to control access to their content on that platform, it's just that the line between the different platforms displaying content is getting grayer and grayer with each innovation. They'll come around, but it will take time, or an app, or something.
Will apple drop the price on Mac mini to $399.00? It is a Mac computer that is the same size as the first apple tv and will hook directly into your tv--so much for the networks stupity, apple says thank you.
Actually, Google could just update them all to pass a browser code to Hulu that isn't blocked. I doubt Google would do that, though.
Not a rant at all, but a good contribution to the discussion.
What the broadcast networks don't get is how poor most of their programming really is. With the exception of a handful of decent programs - most of which are watered down with between 20 and 40 minutes of commercial traffic PER HOUR - leaving 20 to 40 minutes for actual program content - and usually running somewhere near 23 minutes of program content in any given hour, they are obsolete.
Now, when they start demanding re-transmission fees, on top of the commercials - it's time to pull the plug on at the transmitter and walk away from the entire model.
We need to have Congress authorize the FCC to oversee re-transmission. If it has commercial content, it is FREE - no exceptions - on any re-transmission. Accordingly, the re-transmit providers, ie: Dish, Comcast, Cablevision, Direct, et al, should not be allowed to place any kind of a mark-up on re-transmit material - with the exception of recapturing their ACTUAL AVERAGE COST PER CUSTOMER.
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