OK, what I use is a WINEGARD Satellite finder meter. Camping World $29.95. I ordered a 500 dish kit from Satellite Guys.com a Utah based company. The kit came with a piece of junk meter, looked like a winegard however it does not work. I used my winegard to set the antenna up, took just a few minutes. I found that with my VIP211K box even turned off, I have 18volts for setup of the antenna.... The antenna has a graduated scale for elevation, and skew. I set the antenna according to those settings then I use a compass to set the azimuth.... I have a stick on a string, I get the azimuth then set the stick on the ground then aim the dish to the stick...... I found that this puts me in the ball park so getting the high point on the meter is then a piece of cake.... I have done the setup on my new dish twice, and both times the way I described worked great.... I know that with the 500 antenna, I don't get HD, or local channels however when I am camping all I need is TV for the wife, as she has to have the noise while trying to go to sleep at night........