my cycling/reboot happened after i had version 13 installed. actually, it was the beta version of 13. fortunately i had the cable to fix it. i tryed to save the udf file but i was having problems getting the com port set right and failed to save it. fyi, i was trying to get a c band lnbf working on the 1.2 and when i went back to the k band, i removed all the hearts on c band and it still had 99w c band channel selected when i brought up the micro. i removed all the c band satellites and then wanted to go to a k band satellite and the rebooting started. now i am running the beta 16. charlie