Not true consider you HAVE TO PAY FOR BOXES upfront normally less you can get them for free. which most cant or dont argue to do so and less you been with dish for long time it unlikely to happen . you of all people should know this conidering you even mention that.
If you have to pay for hopper plus just to get joey 4 just to get and pay for joey 4 for how is that not paying for something you dont need if you dont want it. There are no fee for using them well this no monthly fee for hopper plus but there is normal monthly fee for joey 4 just all the other joes , but there upfront fees
yet you tell me my argue hold no water. why would someone PAY for hopper plus to just to get joey 4 when all they want the is joey 4