just an FYI, she found me as an AOL Aim user, and the ending result is that she got the second reciever to work, but she wasn't interested in the dishes and some of the details that made it seem difficult (calling in to order the free channel guide to get maps was the killer i think), resulting in that she found more value in selling the 4dtv, than the cheaper programming and tv PQ, sorry guys! Oh and no FTA either (you gotta change sats and/or scan).