I cant take this anymore ... thread follow up.

[coisado]

What am I doing wrong? Nubee please help.

Ok, I am breaking down my pride to the admit defeat and ask some else level. I am located in Provo, Utah ( Zip Code: 84606 PO Name: Provo (UT)
Population (1990): 23536
Location: 40.234675 N, 111.644724 W). I am using a TH 102g with an hh90 motor fortec 90cm dish and an invacom QPH-031. i also purchased this switch on ebay gecen sw-03/p. It is a 22khz switch but according to where i bought it on ebay it say that it can do diseqc as well. I dont know what the forum rules are to posting commercial links, but i am only posting this for common information. http://cgi.ebay.com/New-GECEN-SW-03...itemZ9723713136QQcategoryZ11726QQcmdZViewItem as far as i can tell my mounting post is 90 in the x and y axis. my true south after declination is 167.6 and my elevation and latitude on my dish and motor are 38.7 and 40.8. as to no I have not be able to receive any signal. I tried tuning to my true south sat solidaridade 113. but to no avail. I have never been able to receive a signal on what i hope starts out to be a fun and long hobby. Please help. I would love to see a little progress on this project.

 

[PSB]

Welcome to the forum!

I would forget the switch, forget the motor and try to find and store a few satellites before EVER adding any of the above. Do NOT use solidaridade 113 as your true south satellite when you do get round to putting the motor back on as its a C-Band satellite!!

C-Band 4 digit Freq.
KU-Band (what you have) 5 digit Freq.



Make sure you have the correct L.O. set for the LNBF

The Linear side should be 10750
The circular side (Do not use right now) should be 11250

                    Provo, UT 84606
         Latitude 40° 14.082'N Longitude 111° 38.682'W

                       Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)    El  Skew
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                       Amos 1/2    4.0W 258.4 244.8 -21.5 -48.4
                               
                Atlantic Bird 3    5.0W 259.1 245.5 -20.8 -48.6
                               
                Nilesat 101/102    7.0W 260.4 246.8 -19.3 -48.8
                               
     Telecom 2D/Atlantic Bird 2    8.0W 261.1 247.5 -18.6 -49.0
                               
                     Express A3   11.0W 263.1 249.5 -16.4 -49.3
                               
                     Telstar 12   15.0W 265.7 252.1 -13.5 -49.6
                               
                   Intelsat 901   18.0W 267.6 254.1 -11.3 -49.7
                               
                          NSS 7   22.0W  90.2  76.6  -8.3 -49.8
                               
                   Intelsat 905   24.5W  91.8  78.3  -6.5 -49.7
                               
                   Intelsat 907   27.5W  93.8  80.2  -4.2 -49.6
                               
                  Hispasat 1C/D   30.0W  95.4  81.8  -2.3 -49.5
                               
                   Intelsat 801   31.5W  96.4  82.8  -1.2 -49.3
                               
                   Intelsat 903   34.5W  98.4  84.8   1.1 -49.0
                               
                    AMC 12/T 11   37.5W 100.4  86.8   3.4 -48.7
                               
                        NSS 806   40.5W 102.4  88.9   5.6 -48.2
                               
                      Pas 3R/6B   43.0W 104.2  90.6   7.5 -47.7
                               
                         Pas 1R   45.0W 105.6  92.0   9.0 -47.3
                               
                   Intelsat 705   50.0W 109.2  95.6  12.8 -46.1
                               
                   Intelsat 707   53.0W 111.5  97.9  15.0 -45.3
                               
                   Intelsat 805   55.5W 113.4  99.8  16.8 -44.5
                               
                          Pas 9   58.0W 115.4 101.8  18.7 -43.6
                               
                       Amazonas   61.0W 117.9 104.3  20.8 -42.4
                               
                     EchoStar 3   61.5W 118.3 104.8  21.2 -42.2
                               
                      Rainbow 1   61.5W 118.3 104.8  21.2 -42.2
                               
               Estrela do Sul 1   63.0W 119.6 106.0  22.2 -41.6
                               
                   Brasilsat B2   65.0W 121.4 107.8  23.6 -40.7
                               
                   Brasilsat B1   70.0W 126.0 112.4  27.0 -38.1
                               
                       Nahuel 1   71.8W 127.7 114.2  28.2 -37.1
                               
                      DirecTV 1   72.5W 128.4 114.9  28.7 -36.7
                               
                          AMC 6   72.0W 127.9 114.4  28.4 -37.0
                               
                          SBS 6   74.0W 129.9 116.4  29.6 -35.8
                               
                     Echostar 4   77.0W 133.1 119.5  31.5 -33.9
                               
                          AMC 5   79.0W 135.2 121.7  32.7 -32.5
                               
                      Nimiq 2/3   82.0W 138.6 125.0  34.4 -30.3
                               
                          AMC-9   83.0W 139.8 126.2  34.9 -29.5
                               
                   Brasilsat B3   84.0W 141.0 127.4  35.5 -28.7
                               
                          AMC 2   85.0W 142.2 128.6  36.0 -27.9
                               
                          AMC 3   87.0W 144.6 131.0  37.0 -26.2
                               
                           IA-8   89.0W 147.1 133.6  37.9 -24.5
                               
                      Galaxy 11   91.0W 149.7 136.2  38.8 -22.6
                               
                     Nimiq 1/4i   91.0W 149.7 136.2  38.8 -22.6
                               
                   Brasilsat B4   92.0W 151.1 137.5  39.2 -21.7
                               
                      Telstar 6   93.0W 152.4 138.8  39.6 -20.7
                               
                      Galaxy 3C   95.0W 155.2 141.6  40.4 -18.7
                               
                      Telstar 5   97.0W 158.0 144.4  41.1 -16.6
                               
                      Galaxy 4R   99.0W 160.8 147.3  41.7 -14.5
                               
                     Spaceway 2   99.2W 161.1 147.6  41.7 -14.3
                               
                DirecTV 1R/4S/8  101.0W 163.8 150.2  42.2 -12.3
                               
                          AMC 4  101.0W 163.8 150.2  42.2 -12.3
                               
                     Spaceway 1  103.0W 166.8 153.2  42.6 -10.1
                               
                          AMC 1  103.0W 166.8 153.2  42.6 -10.1
                               
                         AMC 15  105.0W 169.8 156.2  43.0  -7.8
                               
                      Anik F1/R  107.3W 173.3 159.7  43.2  -5.1
                               
                      DirecTV 5  109.5W 176.7 163.1  43.4  -2.5
                               
                EchoStar 6/8/10  110.0W 177.5 163.9  43.4  -1.9
                               
                        Anik F2  111.1W 179.2 165.6  43.5  -0.6
                               
                  Solidaridad 2  113.0W 182.1 168.5  43.4   1.6
                               
                       SatMex 5  116.8W 188.0 174.4  43.2   6.1
                               
                     DirecTV 7s  119.0W 191.3 177.7  42.8   8.6
                               
                     EchoStar 7  119.0W 191.3 177.7  42.8   8.6
                               
          EchoStar 9/Telstar 13  121.0W 194.3 180.7  42.5  10.9
                               
                     Galaxy 10R  123.0W 197.3 183.7  42.0  13.1
                               
                      Galaxy 14  125.0W 200.2 186.6  41.5  15.3
                               
                  Galaxy 13/H 1  127.0W 203.0 189.5  40.8  17.4
                               
 Intelsat Americas 7/Echostar 5  129.0W 205.8 192.2  40.1  19.4
                               
                         AMC 11  131.0W 208.5 195.0  39.4  21.4
                               
                   Galaxy 1R/15  133.0W 211.2 197.6  38.5  23.3
                               
                         AMC 10  135.0W 213.8 200.2  37.6  25.1
                               
                          AMC 7  137.0W 216.3 202.7  36.6  26.8
                               
                          AMC 8  139.0W 218.7 205.1  35.6  28.5
                               
                   EchoStar 1/2  148.0W 228.7 215.2  30.4  35.0

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Check the below link it will help you read the Lyngsat charts that we use here....

http://www.dmsiusa.com/charts.htm

 

[Mr Tony]

your true south is Anik F2 (111.1). Here is a transponder that you can use to aim and get signal. The channels are scrambled, but will help aim the dish

11843 freq
V polarity
9000 symbol rate

 

[coisado]

Thanks for the quick response guys. I guess that it pays to scroll all the way down on the sadoun page to see the color coding for the sats. I was going to try anik f2 but i guess in my haste to try to use the supposedly easy usals system when i didnt see the option for anik f2 in the twin han software i just went for the next closest one. I will give these suggestions a try and let you know what i find.

 

[coisado]

Well, I tried the your suggestions and have not been able to hit my true south sat yet. Correct me if I am wrong, I am aiming at 165.6. i have only the linear lead from the invacom lnb hooked into my th card right now. The twinhan software has no place for the lo setting for the lnb. It only has lnb1 and lnb2 settings. I guess lnb 1 is for the lo setting. If this is correct, what do I place int the lnb 2 setting? This is getting frustrating. But it seems like a long first time set up is a required initiation for fta. If so I am willing to keep on fighting. I saw how the forum members help iafirebuff and think that it is cool that there can be a fta community that is willing to help new members out. Thanks in advance for any advise that you might have.

 

[Tron]

Invacom QPH linear L.O. is 10750. Use that number when it asks you for LNB frequency. If you don't have a DiSEqC switch, you only should set up for one LNB (turn DiSEqC off). If you have a switch, remove it for now until you are successfully aimed. The switch you mentioned earlier is a 22khz switch, not a 2 x 1 DiSEqC. One port will correspond to 22k on, the other port will be 22k off. Again, I'd completely remove the switch from the equation for now (just one more complication). Always power OFF the receiver using the main switch in back of the unit (or in your case, turn off the PC) before adding or removing switches or LNBs! If power is present on the coax when you connect or disconnect switches, it can fry them very easily.

Do you have a set top box in addition to the PC card? It is VERY hard to use a PC card to point a dish. Also, if you have a box, you can take it and a small TV out with you to your dish. Its easy to aim using the meter in the box. Don't rely completely on the compass, just use it to find the general area you're looking for. Once you know in general where the arc is in the sky, you can aim without the compass. Set the elevation correctly on your dish, then SLOWLY pan the dish east and west, stopping for a moment each time you move it slightly. This gives the signal meter time to react. Pan the dish in very small increments, and watch for signal QUALITY only. Strength means nothing, ignore it.

 

[coisado]

yea sort of!! well i wanted to make sure my card worked so i hooked up my pc to my friends dish networks dish. it took some tweaking with lnb but i finally was able to see a sat. Even though everything is encrypted it was nice to see something besides "nothing" haha. I am going to pull my fortec 90cm dish down off the roof and take off the motor and see if i can configure it using a little tripod that i have. Thanks again for your help and tips. I am getting closer to being a full fledged fta junkie.

 

[coisado]

is it possible that my lnb is dead?? I just brought my dish down from the roof and removed my motor and switch and tried pointing the dishat the same echostar dish that I was able to hit off the other dish (it is preconfigured). all my angles seem to be correct and I have a full 10 on the meter, and there is nothing. Is there a way to blind scan using mytheatre? Man this is confusing. Thanks in advance to any and all that might have suggestions.

 

[PSB]

Did you use the Circular side of the QPH-031 and make sure to change the L.O. to 11250 whan searching for the Dish satelllite?

 

[coisado]

yeah i tried both of the two inlets for circular. like i said the meter is totally burried. i actually swipped my buddies dish 500 and can find 110 like that.. I am not giving up yet but this is getting bothersome. I know it can work but it isn't.

 

[coisado]

So i want to make sure that my invacom lnb works. I am going to take it off my large fortec dish and place it on the small dish networks dish. The dish networks dish. If it does not work there I think my lnb might be bad. I still think that is a very remote possiblity. Any ideas?

 

[PSB]

There are not many bad LNB's out there, but its a REMOTE possibility! (I guess)

 

[voomvoom]

It's usually LOS, meaning, you don't have it pointed in the right direction, better known as the "sweet spot". Don't give up, keep trying. The 1st time ain't easy, but once you get it, you'll love it. And, it's probably something simple, you're just overlooking it. Keep trying.

Al

 

[coisado]

well, I think that my invacom lnb is toast. I put the two dish net lnbs on my 36in dish and i can easily find and hit echo 7 at 110w. My signal reader is burried at 10. I can see the transponders when i scan. So i decided to then put my invacom lnb back on the dish wo changing a thing. Nothing happened! Nothing at all. no signal on the meter no scan. I tried all four the inputs. 2c 2L. I am going to call sadoun tomorrow and see if there can be a swap in store for me seeing how i never once had it work for me. What do you guys think? Are my conclusions correct?

 

[Tron]

It could be defective, but 99.999 percent of the time the LNBF is not the problem. In this case, however, it does seem very possible. Fortunately, Sadoun has excellent customer service, so there shouldn't be a problem if the LNBF is toast.

 

[SatelliteAV]

In a previous post you stated that the LO on the 102G was not adjustable. The LO is adjustable in the manual mode and needs to be changed to 10750 if connected to the Linear output of the QPH-031 or LO 11250 if to the Circular output. The setup of the 102G usually defaults to LO 11300. Do you have a stb (Set Top Box) to check the install? PCI cards are sometimes glitchy to install with!

 

[coisado]

satAv thanks for your post. My next idea for testing the invacom quad lnb is to put it on a dish that uses a dish networks reciever. This way i can isolate the problem to either the lnb or the reciever. I dont know if there are any power supply issues or not. Meaning, i dont know if the twinhan can push enough voltage to the lnb. I really doublt this though. When i hook the lnb up to my pci card the twinhan software reports a signal at 70%. But as of last night i couldnt even get any signal on the meter. At any rate i just purchased another one. I cant find my invoice or reciept so i dont know if sadoun will take it back. But i think invacom extends a 5 year warrenty and or if it turns out to just be a pointing problem then i will have two lnb's (ah yeah building an arsenal of sat stuff).

 

[coisado]

Hey guys just wanted to give an update. I am currently waiting on my new invacom lnb to arrive. I guess i will update you when i get it. Thanks for the help.

 

[coisado]

So i dont know if this is the proper protocol for posting but please excuse me as i am at my wits end. This thread is to follow up my previous thread

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=65800&page=2&highlight=wrong

Well i have received my new lnb and guess what? It does the exact same thing that first one did. In other words the first one wasnt bad as you all assured me and now i have two of the same lnb that i cant get to work. The last time i tried this i tried to hit dish 110 just because it has a strong signal. This time i figured that i would try dish 119. This is because it is strong as well and at least has one fta channel that if i was lucky i would be able to see (NASA). Well, here are the pics from what i am trying to do.

I first hooked up the invacom qph-031 to my dish. I the hooked up to the first circular input on the lnb. no switch or motor.

The dish has been previously aimed using some cheap dn lnb i found at a second hand store. When i hook the sat finder up to the lnb i get a constant signal of about 7. This is for any posistion. I can move the dish around like a crazy crazy man and the meter will stay at seven.

In fact the only time it i can get the meter to peak is when i place my hand in front of the feed horn. then it spikes to 10. This shouldnt happen!!!!

When i try to scan on the previously aimed dish i get nothing. just a bar that says signal strength at 70%. But when i hook up the dn lnb's the meter works and i can now scan.





I dont get anything. But at least i see green and not red. I dont think the twinhan software allows for circular polarity.

This why i am so frusturated! I was hoping to find some international sports feeds to see some world cup games, but to no avail i think that dream is ending. Please anyboy help!!!

 

[rainmaker]

check your dish angle the fortec angle gauge is not accurate my dish angle was suppose to be 24 had to drop it to 19 to receive signal.