I work for a HSP here in the central states and they have a policy that allows us to install sytems at apartment buildings without grounding if it is not available, along with the use of flatwire. Anybody else know of another HSP or MSP that allows this?? And is this a DirecTV policy or just another way for the HSP to run up there completion ratio. And if they allow a system to be installed without being grounded, why should I even waste my time and money for supplies to ground any other system??? Other than the fact that I will always do my installs up to spec, well other then apartments that have nowhere to ground that is.