SS on TP16/110 is 64. No FVOD 5749 in my EPG. Nothing listed on Movies and More. No CH501 on my 722. My 622 with L512 has stuff on Movies and More.
How Dish's 1080p is going to work...
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SS on TP16/110 is 64. No FVOD 5749 in my EPG. Nothing listed on Movies and More. No CH501 on my 722. My 622 with L512 has stuff on Movies and More.
Are the movies in your "Dish on Demand" (under DVR menu) the same as what is in your 501 series of channels (that are called Video on Demand)? That's the logical question I'm asking...
Yes, they are the same, and again the "501" is not a channel(s), but other way to show you the VOD movies from DVR menu list.
Thank you for the clarification (you too M Sparks)! I get what you're saying now...
Apparently not select customers nor select locations but maybe select receivers. My newer 622 already received it but my older 622 has not (as of Sat, 8/16).
And Dish can even unconsciously screw things up. The 622 that has received the upgrade is connected to an HDTV without 1080p while the one that didn't get it goes to my 1080p Bravia.
I really don't care as there's no way I would buy into Dish's VOD scam anyway. At the most I might try the $2.99 special of "I Am Legend" just for curiosity's sake but the way Dish has their whole VOD system set up now, I doubt many will participate it it - especially if they sub to premiums.
Why would anyone used to DVRing HD programming to their HDD for as long as they want to keep it there step down to a limited, studio controlled, obviously price gouging setup like Dish's VOD? Makes one wonder how long it's going to be before they get their hooks into the rest of HD programming doesn't it? Watch out because it's coming.
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I have been anxiously awaiting "I Am Legend" in 1080p, and it finally is available this morning. I have never watched a VOD, I have once watched a PPV. I probably won't rent any VOD for $6.99, but I am curious to check it out for the special price. I thought I read on here that you have to have HDMI to watch in 1080p, but my TV is a 720p, and it's hooked up with component cables; but it says in the manual it will take a 1080p/24 signal over component (but not 1080p/60). I did the test and it took about 1 second and it passed (popup 992). I am looking forward to watching it.
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I have been anxiously awaiting "I Am Legend" in 1080p, and it finally is available this morning. I have never watched a VOD, I have once watched a PPV. I probably won't rent any VOD for $6.99, but I am curious to check it out for the special price. I thought I read on here that you have to have HDMI to watch in 1080p, but my TV is a 720p, and it's hooked up with component cables; but it says in the manual it will take a 1080p/24 signal over component (but not 1080p/60). I did the test and it took about 1 second and it passed (popup 992). I am looking forward to watching it.
:I have found the perfect way for me to thank Dish for its wonderful marketing effort here. I have a 622 and am one of those step children who has not been turbo'd yet, although my local newspaper, my Email box and even my snail mail box has been plastered with promo's, not to mention the TV ads. So as soon as my contract is up (soon) I will take my business to D*, not because Turbo is something I need or want, but because E* has committed the sin that all of us consumers dislike. When you tell me I will wake up on August first with Turbo, it has best be there. Had you told me it would be on August 31st, fine, I'll wait, but don't hype me with BS and then ignore me. Not when I pay you 120.00 a month. I have no clue if D* is any better, but they certainly can't be any worse, can they?
Really? What is the model# of your Tv? Got a link to that manual? Have you played the movie yet? Does your Tv actually report that it is getting 1080p24?
All this for one 1080p24 VOD that may or may not play on your equipment?
Really?
Dish is the first to advertise something new that wasn't available to everyone immediately? There's no asterisk or disclaimer anywhere on any of the items you claim promised this to you by name to have on August 1st?
BTW: All Dish's HD packages were renamed to Turbo on August 1st - you were turbo-charged on August 1st.
Good luck with D*.
When Dish promises something like 1080p and sure as sh*t is hyping it to bring in new business and then pretty much drops the ball on a rollout that is going to piss people off and cause people to look to other providers.
Add to that when you call CS and they dont even no sh*t about 1080p this is just proof that DISH as a company is f**ked from the top down.
they have dropped the ball to their current customers.
funny how everyday I have new movies added to 501 yet no I Am Legend.
Add to that when you call CS and they dont even no sh*t about 1080p this is just proof that DISH as a company is f**ked from the top down.
they have dropped the ball to their current customers.
funny how everyday I have new movies added to 501 yet no I Am Legend.
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If you don't know the difference between "no" and "know", then you're probably aren't going to see the difference between 1080p24 and 1080i. 
All kidding aside, I don't think that there's enough difference to command a higher price. If Dish were to offer it at the same price as 1080i VOD or PPV, then it would likely help draw more customers and that by itself would be enough to justify it.
All kidding aside, I don't think that there's enough difference to command a higher price. If Dish were to offer it at the same price as 1080i VOD or PPV, then it would likely help draw more customers and that by itself would be enough to justify it.
Finally, after 2 days of having my 622 loaded with L612 and seeing 501, I get the elusive I Am Legend, early this morning. Decided to spend the $3 for the test and I failed the compatibility. No big surprise here. Then, recalling my DVDO VP50 Pro was never updated for 24P and that last time I tried to watch 24P I had to connect my BenQ 10000wProjector, a 24P capable projector, direct to my BluRay player. So, I swapped out the HDMI cable and connected the 622 to the projector direct. Verified the setting as 1080i from the 622. Then I ordered the movie and the screen went black and stayed there. After 2 minutes I realized the 622 was frozen and decided to do a reboot. Next I got to the same black screen and this time I blindly hit select, nothing, so I hit left and select, all blind, and the movie switched on. Projector menu screen verified I was in 1080p24.
Now I am watching the movie. Later today, I will rent the BluRay and offer my direct visual and audio comparison.
But for now, I will say that the movie is very good video quality. The sound is obviously at a higher than Dish Normal DD5.1 bit rate. Is it same as BluRay? I'll wait until I can see the disk to be sure.
The only flaw I saw in the VOD version was several places the audio went blank and especially at the start of the credits at the end there was lots of skipping during Marley's music.
The movie is in full 16x9 AR and I can't recall if this is OAR or not. I'll wait for the BD version to compare. From Memory, I thought there was some scenes missing from the movie but as the last time I saw this movie was several months ago, It could be that what I remember were indeed witnessed as "deleted scenes" in the extra features.
Considering the issues many are having with known compatible 24P display devices and the trouble I have had, I believe Dish has much work to be done in beta before this 24P stuff is released "for prime time"
IMO, the big factor is not so much the 24p capability, but the detail we see in the full resolution of 1080p x 1920 as opposed to 720p x 1280 or even 1080i x 1440.
I use the DVDO VP50Pro to upscale to 60p on all sources as I actually like this as opposed to 24p for movies anyway. But, if I do want to watch a movie in 24P, I just have to connect the BluRay player direct to the Projector and output it in 24P and the HDMI will switch to that mode. Dish's system is rather kludgy at this point.
I'll post later today, my comparative comments between the BluRay and the Dish 1080p versions.
I also want to try and compare the Dish version and the BluRay version at 1080p60 using the scaler.
Now I am watching the movie. Later today, I will rent the BluRay and offer my direct visual and audio comparison.
But for now, I will say that the movie is very good video quality. The sound is obviously at a higher than Dish Normal DD5.1 bit rate. Is it same as BluRay? I'll wait until I can see the disk to be sure.
The only flaw I saw in the VOD version was several places the audio went blank and especially at the start of the credits at the end there was lots of skipping during Marley's music.
The movie is in full 16x9 AR and I can't recall if this is OAR or not. I'll wait for the BD version to compare. From Memory, I thought there was some scenes missing from the movie but as the last time I saw this movie was several months ago, It could be that what I remember were indeed witnessed as "deleted scenes" in the extra features.
Considering the issues many are having with known compatible 24P display devices and the trouble I have had, I believe Dish has much work to be done in beta before this 24P stuff is released "for prime time"
IMO, the big factor is not so much the 24p capability, but the detail we see in the full resolution of 1080p x 1920 as opposed to 720p x 1280 or even 1080i x 1440.
I use the DVDO VP50Pro to upscale to 60p on all sources as I actually like this as opposed to 24p for movies anyway. But, if I do want to watch a movie in 24P, I just have to connect the BluRay player direct to the Projector and output it in 24P and the HDMI will switch to that mode. Dish's system is rather kludgy at this point.
I'll post later today, my comparative comments between the BluRay and the Dish 1080p versions.
I also want to try and compare the Dish version and the BluRay version at 1080p60 using the scaler.
If you upscale to 60p then you are getting no more benefit from this version than the 1080i60 version and defeating the whole point of 24p. But that assumes no HD-Lite from Dish, which is not the case, so hopefully you still see an improved picture compared to that.
Where have you been? This-is-what-Dish-does. If you check the archives, you'll find many discussions about Dish falling short of customer expectations based on previous announcements. Sometimes they never follow through, sometimes they just run behind, sometimes they just run into un-anticipated snags, sometimes it's bait & switch but as far as this forum goes though, there always seems to be enough apologists to "smooth" things out for them.
The thing of it is, Dish is still better than the competition, so they could be up-front and forth coming and gain a lot more credibility, which they might find would carry them through the lean times better than the smoke and mirrors.
I completely agree with you waltinvt. There is lotsa folks in SatelliteGuys.US that have bunches of knowledge about Dish TV and are very helpful to folks like me that need help, info, etc. and I am very thankful for everyones support. I think Charlie should assign someone from the tech department to this forum to be a liaison between us and him and work the issues, good ideas, etc. I am more into the quality and operational side of the equipment more than quantity of HD channels and what ever else Direct TV might have over Dish TV. I think Dish VIP722 is awesome the way it can record three channels at the same time, the TV2 feature, and the way it blends in the OTA antenna into the guide. The new 722 will even be better yet with the record four channels at the same time it will have. I have had experience with several other DVRs from cable and have seen the Direct TV DVRs in action (both the old TIVO and the newer version) and I think the Dish TV DVR is the best. Get with it Charlie and listen to folks in this forum. Me and bunches of other folks are die hard Dish customers and have good ideas and issues for you to work on. Be up-front with your customers.
I felt the same way. When I didn't get 501 on 1 Aug, I e-mailed DISH and recieved a mail stating I would have it on 7 Aug. Of course I didn't get 501 on 7 Aug either. Phone calls to csr's , some of whom didn't even know what channel 501 was. Another e-mail. Now promising 11 Aug. 11 Aug - No 501. Now a tech tells me the WEEK of 11 Aug. Well, I finally got 501 on the 14th. But in the meantime I b*tched and moaned and got 3 free months of HD service(3 $20credits).
Lets not confuse "HD Lite" (which only had to do with pixel resolution) with 24P
The whole point of 24P is to match the exact frame rate to film. Of greater concern to me is the difference between 1280 or even 1440 H Pixels vs. 1920 that BluRay is speced out to deliver. The second concern is the additional compression that results in a softening of the image we don't see in a well done BluRay distribution.
On the third watching, I still have problems with the audio dropouts. This is actually a complete loss of DD5.1 as the meta data is lost during the dropout. This is a problem at DishNetwork and not the movie.
I also made some careful notes on the amount of grain in the solid colors that should be pure.
I just got back from BlockBuster and picked up a copy of the movie in BluRay so I am about to do some A/B review now. I sure will get my money's worth in the next 24 hours.
But the 1080p VOD will not be HD-lite, it is downloaded onto the harddrive for later viewing, so no similar constraint for a live HD channel. In theory it can take as much time as needed to download the big sized file, and only make it available after the download is complete.
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