The free replacement to that hopper would be a Joey2.0. You want pip and 4K, you have the option to pay to play. The H3 is the original upgrade that would be why this discussion is taking place and with that you get 16 tuners... More than an upgrade trade in...If the 4K Joey is replacing a HWS, one should not have to pay an upgrade fee. It is actually , in my opinion, a downgrade. You lose more than you get.