Help Install Dish 301? Can't figure out problem

[udlooz]

Last year I cancelled my dish network service, I had a dual tuner box with DVR (not HD) - They left Two Dish Pro 500 dishes, one has a Dual Digital LNBF and the other a single Digital LNBF. Service was working when cancelled.

My wife has been bugging me to get service again, so I bought a Dish 301 box for prepaid from a retailer/installer (ebay).

I unhooked the dual LNB dish from the single LNB, first tried hooking both sides of the dual LNB into a SW21 then into the box, no go. Then tried hooking each side individually into the box, bypassing the switch. no signal detected either time. Cant lock on 119 or 110 on transponder 11.

Do I need the single LNB hooked back in line? I thought that was just for locals...

 

[udlooz]

actually, the dual lnbf is a dish pro plus, the "lnb in" side of it was connected to the single lnb on the other dish, the "2" side was connected to the house. so that leaves me a cable off the single lnb that I dont know what to do with. They left me a seperator, but I think that was to run two tv's... I don't think a switch was on there originally.

 

[topcat0399]

actually, the dual lnbf is a dish pro plus, the "lnb in" side of it was connected to the single lnb on the other dish, the "2" side was connected to the house. so that leaves me a cable off the single lnb that I dont know what to do with. They left me a seperator, but I think that was to run two tv's... I don't think a switch was on there originally.

hey. the dish with the one "eye" has whats called a "dual" on it. The dish with the 2 "eyes" has whats known as a "twin" on it.

Make sure the dish with the dual is connected to the IN port of that twin. (if there is a 2nd wire from the dual just remove it off from the dish completely).

Connnect ONE wire from one of the TWINs outputs to the SAT IN on that 301 receiver. No separators. no splitters, straight in.

run check switch, you should get 3 sats 119/110/ and probably 61.5 (could be 129).

Activate receiver - should be good.

 

[Jerryinvirginia]

The 301 will perform with the DPP Twin connected to either port on the left side. The single port is for a wing sat. No need to use the SW-21. Verify your cable connections and perform a check switch test. Should acknowledge DPP Twin and allow you to peak dish 500 on 110/119. Sep isn't used with 301.

 

[harshness]

1. Restore everything with the dishes to the way it was when it worked

a. DP Single/Dual to DPP Twin input
b. DPP Twin output (either one) into home​

2. Connect the cable that was going to the separator directly to the 301 SAT input
3. Run a check switch and confirm everything is happy
4. Make sure you can see channel 100
5. Subscribe

Your efforts to turn your setup into a legacy system are not required nor recommended. If you had simply removed the separator and attached to the SAT input, you would be done.

 

[udlooz]

OK, I went from the one eyed dual, to LNB IN on the two-eyed twin, then from "1" on the twin to the box, that worked, UNTIL I introduced the diplexers I am using to get from my OTA antenna to the bedroom.

One of the diplexers is mounted touching a grounded splitter, could that be the problem?

at the dish, I have a diplexer with the sat side connected to dish, UHF side to bedroom, sat side to next diplexer at antenna -

at the antenna, I have a splitter for the antenna lead, one side connected to diplexer to dish(UHF side), and the other side connected to diplexer to receiver (UHF side), then I have an RG6 jumoer between SAT sides of both diplexers at antenna. then cable to the receiver side

at the receiver is the last diplexer, UHF side to the TV, SAT side to the receiver.

is that too complicated? Somewhere along the line I am losing voltage. If I replace the diplexers with barrels then it all works good.

edit: Forgot to say... THANKS! Thanks harshness for the assistance!

 

[boba]

Are you using 3 diplexers?

 

[harshness]

Diplexers must be used exclusively in pairs. If you are splitting the OTA antenna, you need to use a splitter, not a diplexer.

Having everything grounded together is often a good thing.

 

[udlooz]

I knew I made it too complicated, I am using two pairs of diplexers

The OTA antenna is connected to a splitter, each side goes to a different pair of diplexers, the diplexer pairs are jumpered on the sat side where I had to use two for the antenna.

I attached a rough diagram

 

[harshness]

The intermediate diplexer has to go.

I'm baffled by the splitter on the antenna and what you're trying to accomplish with it. I get a nagging feeling that you're withholding key details of your setup (such as using diplexers) once again.

How many DISH Network satellite receivers do you have?

How many TVs are you trying to send the/each receiver's signal to?

 

[udlooz]

The intermediate diplexer has to go.

I'm baffled by the splitter on the antenna and what you're trying to accomplish with it. I get a nagging feeling that you're withholding key details of your setup (such as using diplexers) once again.

How many DISH Network satellite receivers do you have?

How many TVs are you trying to send the/each receiver's signal to?

not witholding anything, I just have the one receiver, the splitter is to get OTA to the bedroom and the living room, don't need dish in the bedroom.

I am using two pairs of diplexers because of physical locations, the sat-dish and bedroom are on one side and the sat-rcvr/living room on the other, with the OTA antenna in the middle of all that.

I cant fit in the attic so was trying to avoid running another cable, but looks like I may have to.

 

[harshness]

not witholding anything, I just have the one receiver, the splitter is to get OTA to the bedroom and the living room, don't need dish in the bedroom.

I now see what you're trying to do. It was not at all obvious from the diagram or the description and certainly not mentioned in the OP. That's why I suggested that you were holding out.

You should run a cable from the OTA splitter to the bedroom TV cable (or make a new single run).

In a lossless world, your diagram should work, but it is very messy and prone to connection failures. In the grand scheme, you're not saving any money using a diplexer instead of a chunk of cable and you're losing signal on both sides. You're introducing eight insertion points (connections) where there only needs to be four (one on each "side" of each diplexer).

 

[udlooz]

you were right, the scenario should work, I found one of the diplexers would cause fuzziness on the OTA and wouldn't carry voltage from one side to the other (using the old tongue test)

I will visit my retailer and get another diplexer, and run a new cable for the back bedroom.

Sorry I didn't include this in the OP, while trying to get everything running I had it hooked up direct (barrels instead of diplexers where insertion points were)

I used to be a tech for Cox for about 3 years, but this stuff is a little more advanced than basic cable/digi cable

 

[peaked]

The old tongue test only works part of the time.Take the antenna in line,split it behind the reciever.Run one of the outs to the Ant. "in" port on the reciever.Connect the other out from the splitter to the bedroom line.Antenna signal will be continuous to the bedroom,and antenna signal will come thru reciever t.v. when you power off the reciever.That drawing should be used to confuse al-queda or something.By the way,that'll be 59 dollars(haha)