Exactly! But for some reason some AbsoluteHD subs are in denial and refuse admit that TurboHD subs are really getting the shaft.But from a Turbo Gold perspective, I am paying $10 more for 3 channels I think... An absolute sub paid $0 more, and gained net 6 channels (even if some of them suck)... So I think you can argue price and channel count; it is substantial enough, to me at least