I WILL NEVER deal with rebates of any kind,if I can not get it upfront for that price I don't buy it.I am the customer and if they want my business they will sell to me at my price, my local rural co-op telco has digital tv over their system and is in the process of putting together HD service with it and they do not require all this upfront crap and offer a $199 bundle with phone service,DSL Max, Platinum TV package, 2 AT&T cellphones with 2100 minutes a month. If Charlie want's to keep me after my 18 months is up in July he better do more than the upfront crap. If a small rural co-op can do this what real future do the Satco's have in the long run? They better think about ways to keep existing customers ,because as more and more fiber is laid it will be cheaper and more common everywhere.