fox sports dispute
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I'm not saying never negotiate. Duh. But I'm saying that I pay for increases constantly from Dish, and yet every year I have to go without channels we want to watch every night. Somehow Directv, and almost every other provider has managed to negotiate acceptable deals with, for example, the RSNs. If Dish was was 50% less for the same thing than other providers I'd say, OK, Dish keeps their prices lower than other providers so I can choose to put up with not watching the TV shows I want to watch to help them be the low cost provider. Though that kind of defeats the purpose of why I pay a TV provider. But they aren't cheaper. I hear all of this "but if Dish didn't make us go without our ABC affiliate for months or without our local sports channels we'd be paying double the prices!" Yet we get regular double digit (since that gets thrown around a lot in terms of what the channel owners are asking for) increases in our bills, and Dish is not cheaper than Directv for equivalent packages, I've switched back and forth, and certainly not cheaper than several other options. I just want to watch the shows I want to watch. And I know, we all have options (that's why I'm looking at things like YTTV,) But a TV provider that doesn't let me watch the MLB playoffs, or the NFL game on Sunday, or the new fall network shows on my local affiliates, isn't a good deal if it's $2 a month cheaper.
DirecTV had 120 NEXSTAR locals go dark last July and 17 locals go dark in June. The NFL Network and Red Zone are dark on ATT TV Now and U-Verse. And of course there's the pending Sinclair outage. Spectrum had 33 Tribune channels go dark last January. And on and on... My typical annual increase from Dish has been just $5 for a number of years now or about 4% of my bill, a long way from "double digits".
Well, they resolved the Sinclair dispute with no black outs. FWIW. I'm glad you're happy with Dish. I'm looking at other options, no decisions made yet (I do really like the Hopper 3 hardware and the Dish software system. A lot.)
In terms of common ground: I think we all agree that the entire non stop dispute and black out routine, that has become routine, has to stop somehow. Most people aren't as fanatical as we are here, they don't read satellite TV forums, they just know they pay to watch TV and when they lose a channel and can't watch TV, most of them blame their provider no matter what is scrolled across the bottom of their screen. They pay their provider to provide them the channels and they don't care about details, they expect to watch what they're paying for. Ask the installers here what happens when people lose their channels. No matter whose "fault" it is, it is ultimately bad for the provider. Dish will lose subscribers over the loss of RSNs and the Fox channels. 99% of people won't care about the details. They just know, I pay ($85, $120, etc) each month and you're telling me I can't watch the fall premier of these shows, or the MLB playoffs, or my favorite NFL team this weekend? Screw this and goodbye. Will they run into it where they run to? Maybe. But Dish has already lost them.
What I know is that after this if Charlie buys bulk stock again... I am going to follow suit. I’ll trust his knowledge of the business.
Never said it wasnt factual. But if you dont think BOTH sides are spinng the "facts", you've either drank the Dish Kool Aid or you're niave.
Why doesnt Fox dispute Dish's claims? Who knows. Maybe it's too complicated.
If the Sinclair dispute has been resolved, why is it still on AT&T TV Promise - DIRECTV, DIRECTV NOW, U-verse? My guess is there's been a short term extension, not a resolution.
There will always be movement between Dish, Direct, and the cable companies as some subscribers keep looking for greener pastures. The crux of the problem is the greed of the providers that have come to see retrans fees as a cash cow that they can milk for more and more money. As more carriers jump in and dig in their heels, the tide may change. If Congress does its job and modernizes STELAR to reflect current market conditions, that may be a tidal wave in itself. Billion dollar fee increases cannot continue...
I'm sure it's all more complicated than any of us here have speculated about. Best we can do is just ride it out, try to get credits, or switch to another provider.
Speaking of complicated, there are 4 threads going on regarding the two different disputes, and the conversation flips frequently in each thread between the two disputes. What makes it even more confusing is that the FSNs that this thread is about aren't even owned by Fox anymore.
Good! Maybe Sinclair is in the mood for resolving disputes. Lets keep that trend going, Sinclair!
This is the way that Directv operates. I was with them during the Raycom dispute, when the channels were removed. When the channels returned, the official announcement was about a short-term extension, not a long-term deal. A long-term deal never was officially announced as far as I know, but the channels stayed on.
Yeah, they can do that. Rest of us will be fired, or our client will push us out the door.
...just like professional athletes do.
Well, lets see, this thread is called "fox sports dispute" and some of the channels involved in the other dispute are branded as "Fox Sports" so I can see where the confusion would arise. Perhaps if this thread were re-titled "Fox Sports Net (FSN) Dispute" it would help make things less confusing.
My guess would be they don't want to make a drastic name change during the last week of regular-season baseball, and I'd agree with that strategy. Do it in the off-season.
Now, where would you get that idea?
Part of the problem is that the seasons overlap, so there really never is a good time to do a name change, since there is always something in season. However, the start of the baseball season seems to be when these sports channel name changes usually take place, which is why I guessed that is when the names will finally change.
Now they need to get the RSNs deal done.
Glad this was worked out. I haven't been following all the details. All I know is that i was streaming the Twins\Yankees playoff game on the Fox Sports app yesterday and it stopped mid game. I was prompted to log back in saying my session had expired. When I was asked to select a provider Dish wasnt an option. I missed the second half of the game. 
Anyway I was happy to see that I could log in this morning using my Dish credentials.
Anyway I was happy to see that I could log in this morning using my Dish credentials.
Yeah, I have to assume that they are gone for good, or at least until Sinclair's OTA channels are up for renewal. The one positive is that the channel placeholder is still up and not just completely gone and there are updates on DishPromise.com. If the Fox Sports Regional Networks listings on DishPromise and the channel placeholders go away, then I would hold very little hope. That was the way it went with HBO and Cinemax earlier this year.
Not saying that Sling has all the answers, but how they are connected to Dish does give some perspective Our Sling Promise | Sling TV On Sling's site, they specifically say "We are always willing to engage in proposals that are fair for our customers, but based upon Sinclair's offer, we have not reached a deal to bring FOX Regional Sports Networks back to Sling customers. At this time, we believe it is unlikely that we will come to an agreement to restore this programming"
Not saying that Sling has all the answers, but how they are connected to Dish does give some perspective Our Sling Promise | Sling TV On Sling's site, they specifically say "We are always willing to engage in proposals that are fair for our customers, but based upon Sinclair's offer, we have not reached a deal to bring FOX Regional Sports Networks back to Sling customers. At this time, we believe it is unlikely that we will come to an agreement to restore this programming"
