FOX News Channel/DISH dispute

[Willh699]

Stay on target everyone...

I don't know how many remember when FoxNews was NOT on Dish Network. FoxNews was a late-comer to Dish and Dish was still growing at a good clip without it.
Here was the news network line-up in December 1998.
200 CNN CNN
202 HNN Headline News
204 COURT Court TV
206 CNNI CNNfn/CNNI Financial and International News
207 BITV Bloomberg Information Television
208 CNBC CNBC
209 MSNBC MSNBC
210 CSPAN C-SPAN
212 CSPN2 C-SPAN2
213 NASA NASA Channel
214 TWC The Weather Channel
216 AMERV America's Voice

By April of 2000 it was on Dish. So Fox News Channel existed for 5 years or so before Dish picked it up. And even then it was not on the basic package. It was on the second tier (AT100 at the time)

and here's the changes 16 years later:
200, 202, 208, 209, 210 and 214 are the same before on the Dish Lineup, meaning they never moved channels

204: CourtTV: channel became TruTV, now at 242.
206: CNNfn/CNNI: channel went defunct in early 2000s, Fox Business currently owns channel 206 slot, but that channel will disapper soon via dispute with Fox News.
207: Boomberg, moved to channel 203.
212: C-SPAN2: moved up a channel to 211 to be closer to C-SPAN 1.
213: NASA channel: moved to 286, 213 currently is the interactive channel for The Weather Channel App on non-hopper Dish receivers and DVRs.
216: America's Voice: Dish dropped the channel to replace it with Fox News, and channel folded after that. now 216 is the national feed to ION.

so in a way, some things changes, some stay the same, regarding the Dish lineup.

 

[Tampa8]

Back on topic....I NEVER watch Fox News, but I don't think it should be pulled. I'd be upset if one of the channels I DO watch would get pulled & this should be no different for those that watch Fox News. For that reason, I hope they come to an agreement.

I liked your post but not only for the content....... King of avatars.

 

[TNGTony]

That was then, this is now. I'm guessing DISH did fine before many channels came to be on. DISH would not do fine losing Fox now.

Let's say every single FoxNews viewer cancelled Dish (and we know that wouldn't actually happen). That would be about 2 million out of the current 15 million subscribers It would hurt, but it would not be crippling.

I don't want to see anyone's favorite channel go away, but to say that a company would not be able to survive without one channel (even ESPN) is a little over the top.

 

[KAB]

Let's say every single FoxNews viewer cancelled Dish (and we know that wouldn't actually happen). That would be about 2 million out of the current 15 million subscribers It would hurt, but it would not be crippling.

I don't want to see anyone's favorite channel go away, but to say that a company would not be able to survive without one channel (even ESPN) is a little over the top.

Oh, but the "Charlie Churn" would be "crippling".

 

[tomcrown1]

Get rid of all fix channels

 

[chuckster_dude]

Let's say every single FoxNews viewer cancelled Dish (and we know that wouldn't actually happen). That would be about 2 million out of the current 15 million subscribers It would hurt, but it would not be crippling.

I think it would be more than that. DISH pushes hard at rural America which is a bastion of traditional Conservative values. I think the outcry is loud if Fox News goes dark.

 

[eurosport]

I liked your post but not only for the content....... King of avatars.

This one is my friend Lindsey. She used to DJ at my favorite station in Gainesville. She lives in Salt Lake City Utah now.

 

[PortlandChris]

I think it would be more than that. DISH pushes hard at rural America which is a bastion of traditional Conservative values. I think the outcry is loud if Fox News goes dark.

Oh folks will whine for a day or two, some will keep it going. In the end, will you switch?

If Fox comes in with a fair price for all of its channels and stops playing games this will be resolved.

 

[bwexler]

Does this mean I have to stay up until 12:15 Saturday night to see if Fox News goes dark, so I can cAll for my $10 a month credit for loosing my favorite channel?

 

[MikeD-C05]

Does this mean I have to stay up until 12:15 Saturday night to see if Fox News goes dark, so I can cAll for my $10 a month credit for loosing my favorite channel?

NO way. You should get a good night's sleep and then call DISH in the morning for your credit. It will still be off the satellite at least 12 hours like CBS was, before it came back.

 

[Teehar]

Again I pose the question.What does all these channel pulls/drops,disputes get us?Yearly increases of $5 to $15.If dish is truly doing everything they can to keep our bills lower where is the savings. If we have to pay the piper no matter if the channels are dropped or not,then why all the headache?Someone ain't exactly telling the truth somewhere.

 

[dare2be]

Again I pose the question.What does all these channel pulls/drops,disputes get us?Yearly increases of $5 to $15.If dish is truly doing everything they can to keep our bills lower where is the savings. If we have to pay the piper no matter if the channels are dropped or not,then why all the headache?Someone ain't exactly telling the truth somewhere.

I still think Disney is the bulk of the increase. They got the HD channels back, the piper got paid for ESPN which was no way ever going to get dropped, even for a second, and the long-standing lawsuit was settled. All of that cost a pretty penny.

 

[osu1991]

This one is my friend Lindsey. She used to DJ at my favorite station in Gainesville. She lives in Salt Lake City Utah now.

Time for a winter vacation to SLC

 

[Teehar]

So what were all the increase prior to Disney then?Supposedly they were in preparation for the Disney renewal,yet we still paying through the nose.

 

[Tampa8]

This one is my friend Lindsey. She used to DJ at my favorite station in Gainesville. She lives in Salt Lake City Utah now.

Wait..... you know her? Will you be my friend?

 

[Tampa8]

To answer a couple of posts, yes I really think people will drop DISH over Fox News, much more so than some other channels. Channels like Fox News, USA, TNT and some others have to be available or people will switch. On top of that, far less people will ever sign up with DISH once it's known they don't have Fox News.

I can't say how much it would hurt DISH, maybe more of a domino effect (read on) but in the end it won't hurt Fox News all that much because the people who turn to it for their news will have left DISH by some point to get it, not just threaten and others will have not signed up at all that might have. There is no alternative to Fox News for those that watch it and that matters more with Channels like Fox News because they are one of the most watched channels at times, not just the most watched news channel.
Then DISH is one step away from a real problem if they also at some point lose channels like TNT and TBS. (or USA not currently up for contract.) I said the same for CBS and was just about correct (I said DISH can't let it go dark) and for one of the first times I think DISH blinked on that one. For all those reasons I don't think DISH will let Fox News go dark, certainly not decide not to carry it.

 

[Tampa8]

Again I pose the question.What does all these channel pulls/drops,disputes get us?Yearly increases of $5 to $15.If dish is truly doing everything they can to keep our bills lower where is the savings. If we have to pay the piper no matter if the channels are dropped or not,then why all the headache?Someone ain't exactly telling the truth somewhere.

Those increases would be more, and DISH IS lower cost for the bulk of their subscribers. Why is it people lose sight of that. Charter has no problem going up $8 to $9 which is exactly what they did last time.

 

[osu1991]

Fox News averages just over a million viewers in primetime, probably a 100-150k maybe 200k are Dish subs and I doubt more than 10% or so would drop immediately. Even is all of them did, its still no different than normal churn

 

[slick1ru2]

Hilarious. When they dropped CNN, there were posters in that thread saying Dish would never drop Fox News Channel, it has too many viewers. LOL, wrong.

 

[PortlandChris]

To answer a couple of posts, yes I really think people will drop DISH over Fox News, much more so than some other channels. Channels like Fox News, USA, TNT and some others have to be available or people will switch. On top of that, far less people will ever sign up with DISH once it's known they don't have Fox News.

I can't say how much it would hurt DISH, maybe more of a domino effect (read on) but in the end it won't hurt Fox News all that much because the people who turn to it for their news will have left DISH by some point to get it, not just threaten and others will have not signed up at all that might have. There is no alternative to Fox News for those that watch it and that matters more with Channels like Fox News because they are one of the most watched channels at times, not just the most watched news channel.
Then DISH is one step away from a real problem if they also at some point lose channels like TNT and TBS. (or USA not currently up for contract.) I said the same for CBS and was just about correct (I said DISH can't let it go dark) and for one of the first times I think DISH blinked on that one. For all those reasons I don't think DISH will let Fox News go dark, certainly not decide not to carry it.

Your statement that there are no alternatives to Fox News is false. There are significant alternatives. But let's set the record straight here - this issue is bigger than just Fox News. Fox has been at the heart of all sorts of antics over the Hopper, ridiculous hardball rate increases on company owned Fox affiliates, disputes over Fox Sports Net RSNs, and games over FS1, and so forth. Recall at the beginning of the football season the two week blackout of some football games on FS1? This is bigger than Fox News.

Remember, anything that happens is the direct result of Fox trying to screw all of us and overcharge us on every other channel. If Fox News gets pulled down over a dispute it is ALL because of the intense greed and arrogance at Fox, period. What comes around goes around. Fox plays us for suckers every day, so finally we can screw them right back. Some will complain, but very few will terminate over Fox News. I'd call Fox's bluff....either they play fair going forward, or screw them,