FNC large subscriber cost increase

[Foxbat]

I prefer "Faux" News, i.e., "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart"...

 

[HokieEngineer]

Wow, I was really expecting this to turn into a "DONT TAKE AWAY MY FOX NEWS" thread, but instead, it appears almost the opposite.

I would miss FNC if they did remove it... miss laughing that is

 

[kb7oeb]

I might watch Hannity and Colmes if they argued with each other, the way it is now is boring. I still think its funny that the company that does Fox News has American Dad on Fox. Maybe they just didn't get the jokes

 

[CPanther95]

Week of 10/16/05 Primetime Cable Ratings

1. USA 1,921,000
2. TNT1,846,000
3. ESPN 1,525,000
4. Nick At Nite 1,371,000
5. Fox News Channel 1,248,000
6. Toon Network 1,210,000
7. Lifetime 1,188,000
8. TBS 1,186,000
9. Spike 978,000
10. MTV 896,000
11. History Channel 867,000
12. A & E 814,000
13. FX 813,000
14. Comedy Central 794,000
15. Sci-Fi 790,000
16. TV Land 754,000
17. HGTV 744,000
18. AMC 718,000
19. ABC Family 706,000
20. Hallmark Channel 651,000
21. Court TV 631,000
22. Discovery Channel 619,000
23. CNN 602,000
24. The Learning Channel 536,000
25. The Food Channel 494,000

 

[Texanmutt]

This post is hilarious!

 

[OoTLink]

Awesome, I hope Dish drops it, I don't need Republican propoganda on my tv. In fact, if they ditch Fox News, I'll reup with E* for another 2 years.

The lack of it in the AT60 is one of the "plusses" to me

That, and Dish Network isn't owned by News Corp like DirecTV is.. Can't have any right wing junk on my roof

 

[Texanmutt]

I would imagine that number 2 is the most desirable demographic for advertisers.

I do find it hard to believe they have more money, as CNN viewers are most likely more educated, leading to higher incomes. But, perhaps those raised pickup trucks with the giant wheels and giant America and/or Confederate flags in the back window are more expensive than I thought?

Yes cause fox is watched only by "angry white men" who are to stupid to know better. It's no wonder fox news is kicking ass and that rush has 20 million listeners.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

It does have all of the ingredients to get messy. Undoubtably E* would like to continue to carry FNC. And I'm sure E* will, as long as the charges are anywhere near being reasonable.

FNC also has a commitment to their stockholders to maximize revenue, which would not be accomplished if they lost 11M E* subscribers.

From a personal standpoint, I hate to think about my E* sub money going to support a channel like FNC. There are so many good causes to support in the world. But I suppose I'm already paying money to line the pockets of several others that I wouldn't feel very good about.

I really found those ratings numbers interesting. Hard to believe that of all of the cable channels, more people tune to USA than any other.

 

[OoTLink]

FWIW, FOX news should be optional, at that people can pay whatever the F fox wants for it, and those of us that don't want fox don't have to pay for it.

I know, I have the AT60, it won't get affected at all, but if i want the AT120 or 180 I don't want to pay even higher a monthly because fox is on it >_>

If ya wanna make the opposite side happy, fine CNN can be optional too.. but 60 cents aint over a dollar!

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Week of 10/16/05 Primetime Cable Ratings

1. USA 1,921,000
2. TNT1,846,000
3. ESPN 1,525,000
4. Nick At Nite 1,371,000
5. Fox News Channel 1,248,000
6. Toon Network 1,210,000
7. Lifetime 1,188,000
8. TBS 1,186,000
9. Spike 978,000
10. MTV 896,000
11. History Channel 867,000
12. A & E 814,000
13. FX 813,000
14. Comedy Central 794,000
15. Sci-Fi 790,000
16. TV Land 754,000
17. HGTV 744,000
18. AMC 718,000
19. ABC Family 706,000
20. Hallmark Channel 651,000
21. Court TV 631,000
22. Discovery Channel 619,000
23. CNN 602,000
24. The Learning Channel 536,000
25. The Food Channel 494,000

How dare you let the truth get in the way of a good story!!!!

If you go by basic Nielsen ratings immediately following Katrina, the number would be more like $.41 for FNC to $.32 for CNN. However, one must look deeper into the ratings disparity. What follows is an excerpt from an explanation of the ratings system, and talks about one type of rating the public never hears about:

On any given day, more people typically tune to CNN than to Fox .

So what are the media reports talking about? With few exceptions, stories about the media business report a single number for ratings (often expressed two different ways--as "points" or "share"). This number is often presented as if it were the result of a popularity contest or a democratic vote. But it is actually the average number of viewers watching a station or a show in a typical minute, based on Nielsen Media Research's monitoring of thousands of households.

The average is arrived at by counting viewers every minute. Heavy viewers--those who tune in to a station and linger there--have a greater impact, as they can be counted multiple times as they watch throughout the day.

When an outlet reports that CNN is trailing Fox , they are almost invariably using this average tally, which Fox has been winning for the past two years. For the year 2003, Nielsen's average daily ratings show Fox beating CNN 1.02 million viewers to 665,000.

But there is another important number collected by Nielsen (though only made available to the firm's clients) that tells another story. This is the "cume," the cumulative total number of viewers who watch a channel for at least six minutes during a given day. Unlike the average ratings number the media usually report, this number gives the same weight to the light viewer, who tunes in for a brief time, as it does to the heavy viewer.

In case you are wondering, every major ad buy for the last 35 years has been based on cost per point - Cume plays no role. Ad Agencies rejected it as a measure in the late 60s and 70s.

People tune into CNN and don't stay as long. Crappy products do that.

There's nothing on CNN worth watching as far as programming goes, but it's the first place I go to see news.

You can claim its because they just want the top stories and headlines HELLO - That's what's CNN Headline News is for.

Maybe CNN should just sign off Headline News if that is your position.

 

[Derwin0]

oh course Fox could be using this as a wedge to get placement in AT60.

It's ridiculas that a channel with more than twice the ratings as it's competator gets less than half the money per subscriber especially when it's in a higher tier. Evidently Fox thinks so to.

btw, the fact that Fox has less carriage nationwide and still trounces CNN tells something about their product, people want to watch it.
I'd be curious to see how many of the "light viewers" that CNN claims to get are tuning in during Fox commercials.

 

[jimboeau]

How dare you let the truth get in the way of a good story!!!!



In case you are wondering, every major ad buy for the last 35 years has been based on cost per point - Cume plays no role. Ad Agencies rejected it as a measure in the late 60s and 70s.

People tune into CNN and don't stay as long. Crappy products do that.



You can claim its because they just want the top stories and headlines HELLO - That's what's CNN Headline News is for.

Maybe CNN should just sign off Headline News if that is your position.

Thanks for your voice of reason! Looks like the "Great Americans" have awoken!

 

[BrianMis]

Yes cause fox is watched only by "angry white men" who are to stupid to know better. It's no wonder fox news is kicking ass and that rush has 20 million listeners.

I watch FOX News on a regular basis, but I don't consider myself a "angry white man". I perfer "Evil Conservative".

Watching FOX News keeps me from turning into a angry white man.

If E* drops FNC, I'll drop E*.

 

[CPanther95]

Like other conglomerates, FNC will be bundled with F/X, Fox Reality, FMC, etc. - potentially even the FOX network O&Os - for leverage. This is the sad reality today. It's also compounded by the fact that FNC has been underpaid for so long, and now it's time to pay the piper. When FNC first was scrambling for carriage, they paid $10.00 per subscriber just to get carriage and I believe the initial carriage fee was about $0.11 per month.

As long as MSOs are willing to pay ESPN close to $3 (closer to $4 if you add all the other ESPNs into the mix) - that is going to be the point of reference the networks use when they head to the negotiating table. Also keep in mind that those ratings posted above are a single week during football season and ESPN does not fare as well the rest of the year. Additionally, those are primetime ratings - if you look at the full day ratings for the same week Fox News comes in at #8 and ESPN comes in at #9. (Top spots are full of Kids and "Womens" channels when adding the daytime ratings into the mix)

 

[sA :: Shaggy]

I say Remove Fox and everyone just remember its all propaganda all the time. Also dont forget we didnt vote Bush in (damn Electoral Collage).

P.s... I just felt like adding that.

 

[jimboeau]

I say Remove Fox and everyone just remember its all propaganda all the time. Also dont forget we didnt vote Bush in (damn Electoral Collage).

P.s... I just felt like adding that.

Brilliant
.... so much for the educational argument

 

[CPanther95]

Kinda of humorous when you consider he was 11 when he got screwed by the "damn Electoral College".

 

[sA :: Shaggy]

its true but not just me my dad a teacher, cousin maries, uncle army, the list goes on

 

[jimboeau]

must go to public school......

 

[hpman247]

It's just a.........................news channel! I don't see the big deal. If you want news, the place to go is the internet, not the TV most of the time. Plus, Fox News is way way to conservative and like all other news organizations, but moreso, spins the news, but dramatically toward a republican/conservitive side.