First Run Recording With HR20

[gadgtfreek]

Im used to a E* 622 that only records new programs if its told too.

I set the HR20 up on Lobster Wars and "first run" tonight. It proceeded to record the program at 8pm tonight which was technically not the first run.

Does it have a bug and will record multiples of the same program like some cable dvr's?

I also setup entourage and it was the same way, had 4 scheduled to record before Sunday night even gets here.

Thanks for the help.

 

[atp1313]

Yessir, the "First Run" is not so sharp. Some slip through. I have Entourage set up for First Run only and it does only record Sunday night's episode. Same for Big Love on Monday. But I think once you get into the non-premium channels (Comedy Central comes to mind) the First Run flag is either not present or is not properly coded. If you set it to record The Daily Show, and First Run, you will get 12 episodes in one day. For those shows that you know are really only on one time each day/week, you may want to set it up as a manual record.

 

[gadgtfreek]

Yessir, the "First Run" is not so sharp. Some slip through. I have Entourage set up for First Run only and it does only record Sunday night's episode. Same for Big Love on Monday. But I think once you get into the non-premium channels (Comedy Central comes to mind) the First Run flag is either not present or is not properly coded. If you set it to record The Daily Show, and First Run, you will get 12 episodes in one day. For those shows that you know are really only on one time each day/week, you may want to set it up as a manual record.

K, thanks. Looks like they should work on the polish of that a bit. Its a pretty important feature to me because i travel and like to just set it once and forget about it.

After a cable dvr and the HR20 previously, I was actually pretty impressed that the ViP622 "new only" worked flawlessly.

 

[Jimbo]

K, thanks. Looks like they should work on the polish of that a bit. Its a pretty important feature to me because i travel and like to just set it once and forget about it.

After a cable dvr and the HR20 previously, I was actually pretty impressed that the ViP622 "new only" worked flawlessly.

Actually, the First run thing is not a D* issue.
The fault lies with the company that does the guide (Tribune I believe) the guide people need to put in the correct info as well as the channel letting the Guide peopel know the correct info.
Most of the time this info is in the data stream from the channel .
The PSIP is the culprit, there are a number of channels that are lacking.

Heres info from the glossary about the PSIP :

PSIP: Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP) is data that is transmitted along with a station's DTV signal that tells DTV receivers important information about the station and what is being broadcast. The most important function of PSIP is to provide a method for DTV receivers to identify a DTV station and to determine how a receiver can tune to it. PSIP identifies both the DTV channel and the associated NTSC (analog) channel. It helps maintain the current channel branding because DTV receivers will electronically associate the two channels making it easy for viewers to tune to the DTV station even if they do not know the channel number. In addition to identifying the channel number, PSIP tells the receiver whether multiple program channels are being broadcast and, if so, how to find them. It identifies whether the programs are closed captioned, conveys V-chip information, if data is associated with the program, and much more. If broadcasters do not include properly encoded PSIP data in their DTV signals, receivers may not correctly identify and tune to the station. Therefore, it is vital that all broadcasters understand PSIP and include the data in their DTV stations signals. PSIP is a mandatory Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC) Standard.

Jimbo

 

[gadgtfreek]

Actually, the First run thing is not a D* issue.
The fault lies with the company that does the guide (Tribune I believe) the guide people need to put in the correct info as well as the channel letting the Guide peopel know the correct info.
Most of the time this info is in the data stream from the channel .
The PSIP is the culprit, there are a number of channels that are lacking.

Heres info from the glossary about the PSIP :

PSIP: Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP) is data that is transmitted along with a station's DTV signal that tells DTV receivers important information about the station and what is being broadcast. The most important function of PSIP is to provide a method for DTV receivers to identify a DTV station and to determine how a receiver can tune to it. PSIP identifies both the DTV channel and the associated NTSC (analog) channel. It helps maintain the current channel branding because DTV receivers will electronically associate the two channels making it easy for viewers to tune to the DTV station even if they do not know the channel number. In addition to identifying the channel number, PSIP tells the receiver whether multiple program channels are being broadcast and, if so, how to find them. It identifies whether the programs are closed captioned, conveys V-chip information, if data is associated with the program, and much more. If broadcasters do not include properly encoded PSIP data in their DTV signals, receivers may not correctly identify and tune to the station. Therefore, it is vital that all broadcasters understand PSIP and include the data in their DTV stations signals. PSIP is a mandatory Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC) Standard.

Jimbo

Ah. D* needs to crack the whip then!

 

[vurbano]

K, thanks. Looks like they should work on the polish of that a bit. Its a pretty important feature to me because i travel and like to just set it once and forget about it.

After a cable dvr and the HR20 previously, I was actually pretty impressed that the ViP622 "new only" worked flawlessly.

There are a number of areas to polish.

 

[Jimbo]

Ah. D* needs to crack the whip then!

There are a number of areas to polish.

This is not a D* issue guy's it's the channel itself.

Jimbo

 

[atp1313]

Yes, but it would be nice if D* set a standard for all channels/networks retransmitted through their service that they include this data and code it correctly so that the D* equipment would work 100% properly, 100% of the time.

 

[gadgtfreek]

If I am not mistaken, E* uses Tribune media. So If D* uses them, it should be a D* issue.

 

[Jimbo]

If I am not mistaken, E* uses Tribune media. So If D* uses them, it should be a D* issue.

D* does use Tribune too, but I fail to see why you think it's a D* issue and not a Tribune or channel problem.
remember, D* is a provider, they just pass the given info along.

atp1313,
If this is to be a standard, D* is not the one that needs to make it a standard, it is the provider of the channel that needs to send the info to D* to get into the datastream

Jimbo

 

[gadgtfreek]

D* does use Tribune too, but I fail to see why you think it's a D* issue and not a Tribune or channel problem.
remember, D* is a provider, they just pass the given info along.

atp1313,
If this is to be a standard, D* is not the one that needs to make it a standard, it is the provider of the channel that needs to send the info to D* to get into the datastream

Jimbo

Lets see, they both use Tribune and the 622 records "New Only" flawlessly while the HR20 does not. Why is this Tribunes fault?

 

[tds4182]

First Run Recording with H@)

Lets see, they both use Tribune and the 622 records "New Only" flawlessly while the HR20 does not. Why is this Tribunes fault?

It wouldn't cost all that much to switch back to E* and you'd have your 622 back. Take Vurbano with you when you go.

Just a thought!

 

[Jimbo]

Lets see, they both use Tribune and the 622 records "New Only" flawlessly while the HR20 does not. Why is this Tribunes fault?

Hmm,
Hadn't realized that the 622 was a flawless unit, maybe you should use it instead ....

Heres plenty wrong with the 622.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-discussions/58689-622-running-bug-thread.html

The most obvious is the fact that it doesn't get a bunch of channels I would need to get ... No NFL ST, No MLB EI, NO BTN
Shall I continue about the perfect 622 ?

Jimbo

 

[gadgtfreek]

Boy, you guys are borderline fanboys when it comes to someone talking negatively about D*(or what you feel is negative). Ive owned both, so I can complain. Granted this was not even a complaint, but you are so helplessly concerned with defending D* it blinds you. You cant finish an argument except for to say "go back to echostar if you dont like it" because you've run out of constructive comments.

Jimbo you made it a point to note it wasnt just a D* issue in the HDMI post. I never said it was, I said PROVIDERS because many dvr's still have the issue. Quit assuming everyone is out to get you and D*.

Back to the orginal argument, if both use Tribune and E*'s works fine, then is it not a D* issue?

The HR20 and 622 have their strengths and weakness's. This thread is about one I feel the HR20 has.

 

[Jimbo]

Boy, you guys are borderline fanboys when it comes to someone talking negatively about D*(or what you feel is negative). Ive owned both, so I can complain. Granted this was not even a complaint, but you are so helplessly concerned with defending D* it blinds you. You cant finish an argument except for to say "go back to echostar if you dont like it" because you've run out of constructive comments.

Jimbo you made it a point to note it wasnt just a D* issue in the HDMI post. I never said it was, I said PROVIDERS because many dvr's still have the issue. Quit assuming everyone is out to get you and D*.

Back to the orginal argument, if both use Tribune and E*'s works fine, then is it not a D* issue?

The HR20 and 622 have their strengths and weakness's. This thread is about one I feel the HR20 has.

Sorry Elway,
I just woke up and still a bit cranky !

As I mentioned, if you like the 622 that much better, why not use it ?
IF they are both Tribune issued and the E* has it right, maybe it's something that is being addressed with a software update, though I have not heard about it, but I did not find it to be a real problem, I just went thru some of mine and deleted some that were not first runs. I still say it could be the channel info, unless you have proved that you are recording the same show on both, reason I say this is because itonly happens with a few shows for me at least.

The 4400 records duplicates, but all my other ones record just the "First Runs" as I have it set up ... So out of the 6-7 shows I am recording weekly, only one show is recording all shows when it should be just 1st runs.

Now ... It could be rec issue too.
Try recording teh same show on both and let us know how it works out. I'm curoius to find out


Jimbo

 

[gadgtfreek]

Sorry Elway,
I just woke up and still a bit cranky !

As I mentioned, if you like the 622 that much better, why not use it ?
IF they are both Tribune issued and the E* has it right, maybe it's something that is being addressed with a software update, though I have not heard about it, but I did not find it to be a real problem, I just went thru some of mine and deleted some that were not first runs. I still say it could be the channel info, unless you have proved that you are recording the same show on both, reason I say this is because itonly happens with a few shows for me at least.

The 4400 records duplicates, but all my other ones record just the "First Runs" as I have it set up ... So out of the 6-7 shows I am recording weekly, only one show is recording all shows when it should be just 1st runs.

Now ... It could be rec issue too.
Try recording teh same show on both and let us know how it works out. I'm curoius to find out


Jimbo

No problem Jimbo, Ive just noticed some guys are touchy on this board about things and I dont know why. Lets not forget I just dropped E* for D* so Im in it with you guys.

Ill try some more series links and see if the same problem arises. Only one I tried was Lobster Wars on Disc and it showed it was going to record two or 3 of the same that were the previous weeks episode so I used the one touch recording on the rest.

If it shows them in the to do list it plans to correct? The 622 shows them as being flagged but they would have a line thru them showing skipped.

Maybe I am reading the gui wrong.

 

[Jimbo]

No problem Jimbo, Ive just noticed some guys are touchy on this board about things and I dont know why. Lets not forget I just dropped E* for D* so Im in it with you guys.

Ill try some more series links and see if the same problem arises. Only one I tried was Lobster Wars on Disc and it showed it was going to record two or 3 of the same that were the previous weeks episode so I used the one touch recording on the rest.

If it shows them in the to do list it plans to correct? The 622 shows them as being flagged but they would have a line thru them showing skipped.

Maybe I am reading the gui wrong.

I would imagine thats how the "To Do' list works, I rarely look at that list,I just set it to record what I want and let it go.

Try recording the 4400 on Sunday nights at 9pm on USA on both units (If you still have DISH also and let me know if your records more than just the first runs. Like I said, this id the only show I record that does record more than the First Runs only, every other program records properly that why I thought Network problem.

Just looked at my To Do list and found that the Dead Zone also records incorrectly .... They are BOTH on the same Network USA .... Who owns the channel that you have trouble with recording corrctly ?
Could it be a Network thing afterall ?

Jimbo

 

[gadgtfreek]

I would imagine thats how the "To Do' list works, I rarely look at that list,I just set it to record what I want and let it go.

Try recording the 4400 on Sunday nights at 9pm on USA on both units (If you still have DISH also and let me know if your records more than just the first runs. Like I said, this id the only show I record that does record more than the First Runs only, every other program records properly that why I thought Network problem.

Jimbo

I have already let the 622 go.

The first program I noticed issue with was Lobster Wars on Disc Thu nights. I just deleted all my prioritizer entries, and series links and then rebooted.

I went to Thu night and selected lobster wars, record series, first run.

When I went to the prioritizer it showed that it was going to record the repeat on 9-4 then the new episode on the 6th.

If I was not leaving for 3-4 weeks on Tuesday Id just set them up and watch what happens. For now Im settign everything up with one time recording. Ill experiment more when I get back near the end of Sept. Until then my wife can set my recordings each week

 

[Jimbo]

I have already let the 622 go.

The first program I noticed issue with was Lobster Wars on Disc Thu nights. I just deleted all my prioritizer entries, and series links and then rebooted.

I went to Thu night and selected lobster wars, record series, first run.

When I went to the prioritizer it showed that it was going to record the repeat on 9-4 then the new episode on the 6th.

If I was not leaving for 3-4 weeks on Tuesday Id just set them up and watch what happens. For now Im settign everything up with one time recording. Ill experiment more when I get back near the end of Sept. Until then my wife can set my recordings each week

elwaylite,
Is it picking up "First Runs " and also recording the same first run later in the week, if ya know what I'm saying. for example, let say your 1st run Show is Eureka and the title of the episode is #1, you see that it is recording Eureka on Thursday night as well, look at Thursdays episode and see what the title is .... See if it is titled # 1 .... IF it is, isn't this actually a First Run show, being also shown later in the week, like alot of shows do now ????

Jimbo

 

[cybok0]

Even with my DTIVO I had problems with Monk and some other shows, the network doesn't put out any info on some shows, then it comes up with a generic listing of the show. The DTIVO will record it, even if it's a marathon day with 24 shows, it will still record it. The DVRs need an accurate description with the shows so it knows to record it or not, especially where it says repeat or first run.