FCC Approves Partial Use of E-10 at 110 W

[Stargazer]

With Dish and Direct wanting to work together to bring about broadband for bundling they may be able to settle their difference here as well to prevent them from getting together on bring broadband to their customers.

Otherwise DirecTv might hold out to put a hurt on Dish Network for a financial advantage.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

One has to wonder if E* is now not having second thoughts about working out an agreement years ago where D* would have given up the 3 110W TP for TP on 119W.

You have to wonder if this would be in the works now - and possibly part of this.

It would have saved D* probably hundred of millions in equipment and operational costs in the past.

 

[scooby2]

Yeah probably too late now with DirecTV going to Ka.

 

[Stargazer]

Dish probably done that to be a sore in Direct's rearend and now DirecTv gets to do the same to Dish only when it matters even more.

 

[TNGTony]

Does anyone have the footprint of the new Echostar 110?

http://ekb.dbstalk.com/297

See ya
Tony

 

[Dish-Direc]

Thanks

Thank you Tony. Interesting coverage map.

 

[rocatman]

One possible solution would be for Dish and DirecTV to swap TP frequencies. Dish would get TPs 28, 30 and 32 and DirecTV would get 3 TPs that Dish currently has. I would expect DirecTV would want 3 even numbered TPs as well as some financial compensation to make the changes to their systems/receivers.

 

[RVD420]

One possible solution would be for Dish and DirecTV to swap TP frequencies. Dish would get TPs 28, 30 and 32 and DirecTV would get 3 TPs that Dish currently has. I would expect DirecTV would want 3 even numbered TPs as well as some financial compensation to make the changes to their systems/receivers.

I am not saying a TP swap would ever happen, but if there were to a a TP swap a better deal for both sides would be to have DTV give E* their 3 TP's at 110 for 3 TPs at 119.

Then E* would have all 32 TPs at 110. DTV would have 3 more TPs at 119, and would not have to have a bird at 110 serving 3 TPs.

 

[Smith P.]

How many dark spots the map will have after turning off some transponders ?

So far I see five areas.

 

[Stargazer]

RVD420, that makes too much sense so it might never happen.

 

[BFG]

Those are the parts not covered by any beam on ECHO 10, not the beams affected by the transponders that have not been granted for dish to use on E10 yet

And I wish that was how it was RVD420 as well. That way E* has a full slot at 110 D* has their full slot at 101 and they share 119.

E* has a bunch more full slots as well but 2 of them require wing dishes. Dish has a ton of satellite capacity they just don't use it all.

 

[JohnH]

I am not saying a TP swap would ever happen, but if there were to a a TP swap a better deal for both sides would be to have DTV give E* their 3 TP's at 110 for 3 TPs at 119.

Then E* would have all 32 TPs at 110. DTV would have 3 more TPs at 119, and would not have to have a bird at 110 serving 3 TPs.

For E* to give up Tps at 119 would mean losing 2 Tps for each one given up. All of them are involved in the E* Spotbeam service at 119.

 

[BFG]

I did some checking and it looks like after E10 goes up. 110 will have 13 transponders used for spot beams, leaving 16 Tps for Conus

119 has 5 Tps for spot beam, leaving 16 Tps for Conus, so combined the dish 500 will have 32 conus tps, which could've been achieved with 1 orbital

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

For E* to give up Tps at 119 would mean losing 2 Tps for each one given up. All of them are involved in the E* Spotbeam service at 119.

Huh?

There as BFT pointed out above me, there are plenty of Conus slots that E could trade for 110 slots.

This is what I was referring to. Apparently they tried to do this deal and one party wanted far too much (actually I believe it was Directv as 110 is considered a better position than 119).

Regardless, the cost to Directv has been crazy for 3 transponders - especially when you consider additional STBs, installations, and the wierd ass way they insert SATC.

They really should just sort it all out now, which might be what Directv is aiming to do now in a round about way.

 

[mike123abc]

I heard that DIRECTV offered Dish all of 110 (3 TPs) but wanted 5 TPs from 119 in exchange. That way both would have 48 CONUS TPs. Dish never went along with the deal. Now it looks like DIRECTV is getting some leverage.

Someone, or maybe many someones, should be fired at Dish for coming up with the selection of spot beam TPs for E10. They knew before they launched the satellite that the satellite would be out of spec. They knew they would need special permission from the FCC to go out of spec. But, they go ahead and put a satellite anyways.

Why should DIRECTV give in on this? I see no reason unless Dish pays a good sum of money. Dish could have avoided the whole problem, they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[waltinvt]

I heard that DIRECTV offered Dish all of 110 (3 TPs) but wanted 5 TPs from 119 in exchange. That way both would have 48 CONUS TPs. Dish never went along with the deal. Now it looks like DIRECTV is getting some leverage.

Someone, or maybe many someones, should be fired at Dish for coming up with the selection of spot beam TPs for E10. They knew before they launched the satellite that the satellite would be out of spec. They knew they would need special permission from the FCC to go out of spec. But, they go ahead and put a satellite anyways.

Why should DIRECTV give in on this? I see no reason unless Dish pays a good sum of money. Dish could have avoided the whole problem, they have no one to blame but themselves.

If my calculations are right, Dish has 3 toes on their left foot that they haven't shot off yet.

 

[JohnH]

Huh?

There as BFT pointed out above me, there are plenty of Conus slots that E could trade for 110 slots.

This is what I was referring to. Apparently they tried to do this deal and one party wanted far too much (actually I believe it was Directv as 110 is considered a better position than 119).

Regardless, the cost to Directv has been crazy for 3 transponders - especially when you consider additional STBs, installations, and the wierd ass way they insert SATC.

They really should just sort it all out now, which might be what Directv is aiming to do now in a round about way.

Some fail to realize a couple of things.

1. At 119, all 21 transponders are required on the uplink side to maintain the spotbeam and ConUS signals provided by EchoStar 7. Lose of any will result in a two-fold reduction in capacity.

2. It is highly unlikely that any of the spotbeams on EchoStar 8 at 110 can be used once EchoStar 10 is in full operation due to the lack of uplink capacity and possible overlap. EchoStar 10 uses 10 transponder frequencies on the downlink side for spotbeams and 27 transponder frequencies on the uplink side to maintain ConUS and spotbeam service.

 

[Kirby Baker]

I heard that DIRECTV offered Dish all of 110 (3 TPs) but wanted 5 TPs from 119 in exchange. That way both would have 48 CONUS TPs. Dish never went along with the deal. Now it looks like DIRECTV is getting some leverage.

I recall a number similar, either 5 or 6 at 119 in exchange for the 3 at 110. Seems like this offer went way back to before Rupert bought up D*.

I still have an issue with this whole complaint by D*. How can the new spot beam E10 cause any more interference operating on 27,29,31 than the existing E* bird? I seem to recall my 110 readings on D* always were low, is DirecTV 5 damaged and not able to output proper levels, and Echo6 is similarly not outputting at its maximum, thus causing an issue for D* when E10 turns on? I guess I just dont understand how there can be cross TP interference from E10 but not E6, and moreover, what about TP's 21 and 22 at 119? Shouldnt they be bitching about that too?

 

[JohnH]

A high powered spotbeam pointed at an area which is on the fringe of the DirecTV pattern could be troublesome due to a substantial difference in signal levels.

 

[gbjbany]

If my calculations are right, Dish has 3 toes on their left foot that they haven't shot off yet.

ROFL