Scott Greczkowski said:
Well then do you know what the transport is? New Services are nice & all, but what about deliverey?
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Well then do you know what the transport is? New Services are nice & all, but what about deliverey?
I believe it is the same box, just logoed for Dish and maybe some internal differences for sat instead of IPTV.Scott Greczkowski said:
The below is the box to be used with Lightspeed and it appears to be identical, externally anyways. The below link provides a lot of info about the box.
http://www.2wire.com/?p=11
2Wire.com: Set Top Boxes
Homezone is designed for those who are not reached by lightspeed yet or will not be reached. It is essentially the same thing as U-Verse but with DISH instead of IPTV.
Scott, since we talking about Home Network - could you please check there what is a "HOME PLUG" feature hiding in ViP622 ?
keenan said:
Thanks Scott, that was just what I was looking for.
At the bottom of the page you linked. With your super-fast DSL connection... So this gonna use my existing DSL connection huh.
Before I call BS I have one more question. As I understand it, normal, live Dish programming would come through the bird, as always, but all the On Demand & whatnot comes through my DSL? I have 6 tuners counting my SD Tivo. If say two of them at the same time wanted an On Demand stream there goes my DSL connection for what I really want it for. Which is to say my latency will be shot to hell.
I am completely unconvinced that at&t can do what Bellsouth can not. That is get my just not quite 6mb copper lines, to qualify for 12~14mb. Let alone two of them for bonding. (I am assuming that they are going to use the same technologoy as LIghtspeed. If I'm wrong on this bet, then all my assumptions are off) We have not even started talking about streaming HD anything yet.
The long & the short of it is, if the cable companies, 10 to 12 years ago had started laying single mode fiber to our premises, this site would be CableGuys US.
After having spent the last 18 1/2 years in the tranport communications business, I'm here to tell you that copper in the last mile is going to be the bane of any services provider. Unless, at&t has some kind of super-secret compression tech that they are going to spring at the last minute, this boondoggle will not even serve as an adequate holdover until they actually do start laying fiber.
edited: Changed DirecTV to Dish.....via letterman
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OK ... I ama little lost on this one. Looks like a great device, but it has the DISH logo right on it. Also, it has the Denver local market listing and AT&T has no presense in the Denver market (yes I know Echostar is headquartered here) ... Would be great, I am ready to abandon DirecTV and thier down-rezzed sh!t HD programming, the wife may have to pass on Sunday Ticket ... this livin in "New York" crap is old too.
I did not see where anyone asked about availability timeline, any word on a real product roll?
I did not see where anyone asked about availability timeline, any word on a real product roll?
Real Proudct Roll out I believe is June 27th. However that may be just for Texas.
They had denver listings showing in the guide as thats where they were showing it off at.
They had denver listings showing in the guide as thats where they were showing it off at.
the 27th is great, but that does not explain a DISH logo nor the lack of availability in the "home" market. any details buddy?
It has the Dish Logo on it because its a Dish Network receiver.
No idea what your talking about in reguards to the HOME market.
No idea what your talking about in reguards to the HOME market.
It has a Dish logo because it's being marketed and co-branded by Dish Network. The guide listings were probably worked up just for the demonstration.
Actually, the beaking news that the HomeZone product was finally going to be released was by me, back in May. 
(http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=66651) But, it's good to see all those pictures Scott. Great work. I have some questions, though:
-Why are there two rf antenna/cable inputs?
-What are the rainbow buttons on the front panel and the remote used for? (I just noticed the color key at the bottom of the on-screen minues. I see that their functions change with each screen.)
-Can the remotes be used as universal remotes? (I don't see any "device" buttons.)
-Will the remote use standard E* protocols to make it simple to add the HomeZone to my existing universal remotes? Or, will it have some new proprietary protocol that no remote manufacturer uses?
I'm not sure why so many members here are so confused about this. Here are the main points that some folks are having trouble wrapping their heads around:
1. It is marketed by ATT for it's subscribers who have both ATT DSL and ATT/Dish .
- It is not marketed, sold, or leased by Dish directly.
- It is not available in non-ATT markets. (I suppose it's possible for other Dish-partnered broadband providers to offer it in the future.)
- If you are an ATT DSL customer, but have Dish directly from Dish, you may have to cancel and wait ATT's six month haitus period to enroll as a new ATT/Dish customer. (That is just speculation, based on their current guidelines.)
2. It was designed and manufactured by 2Wire of San Jose for ATT (formerly SBC)
- It was not designed or manufactured by Dish. (Although, I'm sure 2Wire needed to license some proprietary Dish technology to receive Dish programming.)
- Not being designed or manufactured by Dish is by far the best feature of this device.
3. It uses Dish Network for satellite SD and HDTV programming; DSL for VOD, Guide, Email, Messenger, Web Surfing etc; an off-air antenna for OTA NTSC and ATSC reception; and your home network to stream media files to/from any other media device on your home nettwork. (This may mean a "slingbox" type of capability in the future that will enable you to watch programming from your HomeZone on a remote PC.)
4. It is a standalone unit. It does not require the use of an existing Dish receiver.
- Actually, if you have an existing Dish receiver as a Dish Network customer, you most likely aren't eligible for this service anyway. (See #1 above.)
- It does require two feeds from Dish LNB's; an ATT DSL connection; and, optionally, an OTA antenna. (There are actually two OTA inputs, which makes no sense to me.)
(http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=66651) But, it's good to see all those pictures Scott. Great work. I have some questions, though:-Why are there two rf antenna/cable inputs?
-What are the rainbow buttons on the front panel and the remote used for? (I just noticed the color key at the bottom of the on-screen minues. I see that their functions change with each screen.)
-Can the remotes be used as universal remotes? (I don't see any "device" buttons.)
-Will the remote use standard E* protocols to make it simple to add the HomeZone to my existing universal remotes? Or, will it have some new proprietary protocol that no remote manufacturer uses?
I'm not sure why so many members here are so confused about this. Here are the main points that some folks are having trouble wrapping their heads around:
1. It is marketed by ATT for it's subscribers who have both ATT DSL and ATT/Dish .
- It is not marketed, sold, or leased by Dish directly.
- It is not available in non-ATT markets. (I suppose it's possible for other Dish-partnered broadband providers to offer it in the future.)
- If you are an ATT DSL customer, but have Dish directly from Dish, you may have to cancel and wait ATT's six month haitus period to enroll as a new ATT/Dish customer. (That is just speculation, based on their current guidelines.)
2. It was designed and manufactured by 2Wire of San Jose for ATT (formerly SBC)
- It was not designed or manufactured by Dish. (Although, I'm sure 2Wire needed to license some proprietary Dish technology to receive Dish programming.)
- Not being designed or manufactured by Dish is by far the best feature of this device.
3. It uses Dish Network for satellite SD and HDTV programming; DSL for VOD, Guide, Email, Messenger, Web Surfing etc; an off-air antenna for OTA NTSC and ATSC reception; and your home network to stream media files to/from any other media device on your home nettwork. (This may mean a "slingbox" type of capability in the future that will enable you to watch programming from your HomeZone on a remote PC.)
4. It is a standalone unit. It does not require the use of an existing Dish receiver.
- Actually, if you have an existing Dish receiver as a Dish Network customer, you most likely aren't eligible for this service anyway. (See #1 above.)
- It does require two feeds from Dish LNB's; an ATT DSL connection; and, optionally, an OTA antenna. (There are actually two OTA inputs, which makes no sense to me.)
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Thanks for the info Scott. I guess I'll just have to remain a "moved" loyalist for the time being since there is so much change. Hell D* & E* could be bankrupt in years for all I know. No point in investing in a contract that I don't have or in programming that is just not there. VOom soured me on that ... but at least they were full bandwidth!
Gotta love that AT&T DSL too...I recently "Upgraded" from the normal to the 2nd speed (fastest isn't available) and for 3 bucks more per month, i'm downloading 4kbps faster than before...whoosh!!!
Upload is 100kbps faster just to rub it in...f**kers...
Upload is 100kbps faster just to rub it in...f**kers...
Actually the VOOM Channels were not even in Full Resolution on VOOM when VOOM was still a satellite company.slacker9876 said:
So unlike the 622 you can watch OTA on TV2 and in addition can record two OTA channels at once.
From what I have seen it only controls the revceiver and your TV. They are actually coming out with a different remote which removes the keyboard and will be much smaller.
As far as the Satellite controls go yes, not sure on the features such as the keyboard.
Scott, those two OTA inputs ( not two OTA tuners !) will help only in one case - if you must use two directional antennas; for all other configs one OTA connector will be enough - internally you can connect one coax to many tuners - no problem, just in design make sure you'll match impedance of antenna/cable.
You missed my question about internal HomePlug feature in ViP622.
Looks like it for DishComm. Right ?
You missed my question about internal HomePlug feature in ViP622.
Looks like it for DishComm. Right ?
Scott Greczkowski said:
Translation: "This receiver will not be very buggy at first, but when E* installs new updates, it will be the buggiest thing ever."
Seriously though: If the external hard drive of the 622 will store shows and allow me to move them to other DVRs on my account, will the stored shows transfer to the HomeZone box?
Also, if the HomeZone box has 2 OTA tuners, how many sat tuners does it have? If it also has 2 sat tuners, can it record 4 HD streams and allow you to watch a recorded HD stream all at the same time?
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