If the phone line authenticated you by your phone number how is ethernet replacing that? Surely they can't tell where you are by a network connection?
Brian
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Ethernet and Authorization
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And how is that? I can connect to the internet from anywhere in the world and appear to be anywhere in the world?
First problem the ip is going to be what my router assigns not the hard ip of the connection. Secondly, my hard ip comes back to Comcast in NJ. I could be 100 miles in any direction from that office and have that IP.
Just saying, there is no way that ethernet is going to tell them where you are for authentication.
Also, you can always use a proxy server to connect and say your anywhere.
The router acts as a NAT device and all devices behind the router share that 1 IP address. That is the IP that Dish sees.
The address gets them in the ball park; and I'm guessing that initially their concern is in using false addresses for DMAs etc. That said; if they want to; they can probably get the info from the ISP that maps the IP back to a street address. It's logged by the ISP.
See previous.
It's you're not your.
And Dish will always see the publically facing IP; regardless.
Cheers,
Try plugging your cable modem into a Comcast system 100 miles away and see if you pull an IP. I bet you won't. I can't remember the term that the cablecos use but they only allow your modem to authenticate when connected to your "home" node (I don't think 'node' is the proper term here but you should get the idea).
You can point your PC to a proxy server, yes, and you may appear to be "from" South America. Tell us to configure the 622 to use a proxy server.
My work address was just returned as being located across the country in Hawthorne, CA and a querry from my home address shows it being 55 miles away in Richmond, VA. Offhand, I can proxy, tunnel, and even route packets through my wife's Sprint mobile broadband laptop too.
To be honest, you can lease a virtual phone number from most VOIP providers for $5 a month. If you own you own equipment, I don't know how E* will know where you physically reside if you wish your real physical location to be unknown.
To be honest, you can lease a virtual phone number from most VOIP providers for $5 a month. If you own you own equipment, I don't know how E* will know where you physically reside if you wish your real physical location to be unknown.
I think these IP Lookup tools, that try and determine your location, are highly dependent on your ISP and the data they provide. In some cases do they do nothing more than parse the rDNS and guess ?? I know many "traceroute" tools do this (and get things wrong often).
My IP (at work) came back as being in Utah.
My IP (at work) came back as being in Utah.
alot of isps segrate their stuff based on location.. so it does help slightly.. but I think dish is going to use it to simply make sure all the recievers are in the same house.. 
alot of isps segrate their stuff based on location.. so it does help slightly.. but I think dish is going to use it to simply make sure all the recievers are in the same house..
That's what I'm thinking. If you only have one receiver, they probably don't care much if it's at your address, or you took it to you log cabin out in the woods. The people that haven't hooked it to a land line aren't traceable either. I just recently hooked it to my DSL line, and they never called me in 2 years.
That's because you are basically doing a lookup of the owner of your IP address. There is an active trace that can be done that will backtrace your packets through every router until the originating machine is found. Now, that could be a remote machine you have logged into, but your Dish receiver is not going to do that.
Actually...
It might happen in the future. Broadcom acquired Global Locate, Inc. in June.
Broadcom to Acquire Global Locate, Inc., a Provider of Industry-Leading GPS Chips and Software
I don't think that Dish Network uses the phone line to determine where you are as much as they use it to:
1. Determine that all of your receivers are in a single location.
2. Get Data for PPV purchases.
3. Give an upstream path for Dish Interactive applications.
They can use Ethernet to satisfy those three items.
With some trickery I'm sure you can spoof IP around for #1, but perhaps dish has found other ways to deal with that. Off the top of my head, I think that only the VIP receivers support IP call back and that VIP receivers have DishComm. So perhaps for your receiver to have IP callback support, it must DishComm back to a central VIP receiver (this assures that they are in the same household), then that receiver does the IP callback duties for all of the VIP receivers in the house.
None VIP receivers don't have an Ethernet or Dishcomm so they would have to still rely on the dial tone callback.
Folks have been asking for way to get out of the phone line requirement for years now, finally there is an option. Good work Dish.
1. Determine that all of your receivers are in a single location.
2. Get Data for PPV purchases.
3. Give an upstream path for Dish Interactive applications.
They can use Ethernet to satisfy those three items.
With some trickery I'm sure you can spoof IP around for #1, but perhaps dish has found other ways to deal with that. Off the top of my head, I think that only the VIP receivers support IP call back and that VIP receivers have DishComm. So perhaps for your receiver to have IP callback support, it must DishComm back to a central VIP receiver (this assures that they are in the same household), then that receiver does the IP callback duties for all of the VIP receivers in the house.
None VIP receivers don't have an Ethernet or Dishcomm so they would have to still rely on the dial tone callback.
Folks have been asking for way to get out of the phone line requirement for years now, finally there is an option. Good work Dish.
So, despite the dubious accuracy of the IP address look-ups...
Will this change anything for the "movers" out there?
Will this change anything for the "movers" out there?
