ESPN's first 4k event ever!!
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Caught todays ESPN 4k game on a nice 75"+ Sony OLED.
Oregon/Washington game.
SDR and obvious upconversion from 1080P.
Guide was wrong about HDR.
But the ESPN news release did say they were doing SDR and so they are.
Picture wasn't anything great.
I think Fox is doing better.
Color was good, but artifacts through out.
The brightness was high and the white Oregon uniforms were blooming and overexposed.
While the purple jerseys of Washington were too dark.
Nothing stood out that great except the closer shots of players.
Very disappointed from ESPN especially with the hyped info on the net about how long they've worked
to get this just right.
Better than the ABC HD channel but nothing to get impressed by.
All the graphics were upconverted and had loads of jaggies on all the edges.
Looked liked something from 30 years ago on their graphics side.
Really bad.
But I supposed it can only get better from here.
When is the question.
How many more years until real 100% 4k HDR in sports in the USA.
All that money ESPN spent but the results are just nothing special.
At least if they had gone the HDR route you would get an improvement even in 1080P.
bjf
Oregon/Washington game.
SDR and obvious upconversion from 1080P.
Guide was wrong about HDR.
But the ESPN news release did say they were doing SDR and so they are.
Picture wasn't anything great.
I think Fox is doing better.
Color was good, but artifacts through out.
The brightness was high and the white Oregon uniforms were blooming and overexposed.
While the purple jerseys of Washington were too dark.
Nothing stood out that great except the closer shots of players.
Very disappointed from ESPN especially with the hyped info on the net about how long they've worked
to get this just right.
Better than the ABC HD channel but nothing to get impressed by.
All the graphics were upconverted and had loads of jaggies on all the edges.
Looked liked something from 30 years ago on their graphics side.
Really bad.
But I supposed it can only get better from here.
When is the question.
How many more years until real 100% 4k HDR in sports in the USA.
All that money ESPN spent but the results are just nothing special.
At least if they had gone the HDR route you would get an improvement even in 1080P.
bjf
I haven't had much time to watch today's ESPN broadcast just yet. From the little I saw earlier today, I thought LSU/Florida game looked a little better than this week's ESPN game but that could also be from my preference of night games looking better. But from everything I've read, they are using 4k cameras and I could def notice the difference last week. Unless if something changed from last week to this week, it should be the same 4k cameras. But I'll watch later this weekend and see if I notice a difference. Also they had dolby atmos on today's game but I thought the crowd sound was overpowering the announcers talking.
The dumb*** is you creating a thread for every game/event You have two here for the same game You clearly either don’t have Directv or 4K as you stated above you were “told” the guide said the game in HDR. If you had Directv you could have verified this yourself.... In case you haven’t figured out no one cares about your Whining reviews of the picture
comp9,
Shouldn't you be outside yelling at the kids to get off your lawn. LOL
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Shouldn't you be outside yelling at the kids to get off your lawn. LOL
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It is ABC's first 4K broadcast, give them some time to get things fixed. It wasn't like Fox, NBC and CBS got everything right the first time. Or second time, or third time, or ...
Especially where HDR is concerned there is no "right" way to do it, so they basically have to tweak and see what works for the largest number of TVs out there. Then tell everyone else to adjust theirs lol
Especially where HDR is concerned there is no "right" way to do it, so they basically have to tweak and see what works for the largest number of TVs out there. Then tell everyone else to adjust theirs lol
I hear ya slice1900 but gotta disagree a bit.
ESPN said in that article posted a while back,
ESPN To Broadcast Its First Sporting Event in Live Native 4K
“After months of planning and technical testing, we are excited sports fans can watch 4K UHD College Football ........."
and there another press release they went on about how great their 4k was....
Note they've tested and worked on this for Months.
So now they are letting us see their signal and it's not that great.
So are they just inept?
I mean Disney's massive money and ESPN finally getting off it's ass to bring out sports in 4k and then we get it in SDR and
with lots of various artifacts.
Of course it will get better but they bragged themselves up like they were inventing the wheel.
And even though they will not say it , it's obvious that it's 1080P upconverted to 4k.
And the graphics look like s###.
And they had a blueprint to go by with Fox already doing all that learning curve.
They just stole what they were already doing and tweaked it.
They are also lying about it being real 4k,etc. , just like Fox.
I'm happy to have anything but what I saw was a pathetic version of 4k for that Oregon / Wash. game.
Even the water on the lens created rainbow artifacts and it was overcast in the stadium.
You even saw this on the HD ABC channel. The edges of the wide angle shots looked blurry.
The grass looked like garbage for sharpness even compared to Fox.
If they've tested for MONTHS then why are we seeing all these flaws.
I'm guessing they are just doing this on the cheap. But it's ESPN so no surprise there.
It can only get better but when!
And regarding HDR.
From all I'm reading HLG is the only choice they are all using for live sports and anything live.
Keyword is live.
Broadcast industry will also use HLG from what I've read.
The Olympics were tape delayed and sent out either HLG or HDR10.
Everything streaming that is not live can be any of the various formats.
But live is one choice only and so ESPN should have been able do it from day one.
In fact it would have been the smart move to do 100% HDR on everything with ESPN.
From a marketing point of view they could have made themselves look more on top of 4k.
If you are old enough 20 years back when HD was brand new there was a dedicated HD channel.
The first I think called HDNET. Mark Cuban owned it and was hugely pro HD and wanted it here now.
To date we have nothing like this for 4K and that's part of the problem.
A 24/7 FULL 4K HDR Channel for sports and variety . Everything sourced from Full 100% 4K / 4K HDR cameras and full 4K studio / editing all the way to the viewer at home.
That is what someone needs to offer.
Or a paid streaming version of it.
Next year I'm guessing Samsung will have a 8K video recording smart phone.
China already has one from a China company. Apple might be there too.
In the meantime we can't even get live sports in 4K for the bulk of the pro leagues and college.
I hope ESPN gets it together soon.
Just tired of waiting for years for this and then getting sub-par 4k picture quality.
And as we all know the Olympics have been doing the best quality on the planet for several years now.
And sourcing from 8k and full studio 8k. They should all have emulated that blueprint. They got it right.
bjf
ESPN said in that article posted a while back,
ESPN To Broadcast Its First Sporting Event in Live Native 4K
“After months of planning and technical testing, we are excited sports fans can watch 4K UHD College Football ........."
and there another press release they went on about how great their 4k was....
Note they've tested and worked on this for Months.
So now they are letting us see their signal and it's not that great.
So are they just inept?
I mean Disney's massive money and ESPN finally getting off it's ass to bring out sports in 4k and then we get it in SDR and
with lots of various artifacts.
Of course it will get better but they bragged themselves up like they were inventing the wheel.
And even though they will not say it , it's obvious that it's 1080P upconverted to 4k.
And the graphics look like s###.
And they had a blueprint to go by with Fox already doing all that learning curve.
They just stole what they were already doing and tweaked it.
They are also lying about it being real 4k,etc. , just like Fox.
I'm happy to have anything but what I saw was a pathetic version of 4k for that Oregon / Wash. game.
Even the water on the lens created rainbow artifacts and it was overcast in the stadium.
You even saw this on the HD ABC channel. The edges of the wide angle shots looked blurry.
The grass looked like garbage for sharpness even compared to Fox.
If they've tested for MONTHS then why are we seeing all these flaws.
I'm guessing they are just doing this on the cheap. But it's ESPN so no surprise there.
It can only get better but when!
And regarding HDR.
From all I'm reading HLG is the only choice they are all using for live sports and anything live.
Keyword is live.
Broadcast industry will also use HLG from what I've read.
The Olympics were tape delayed and sent out either HLG or HDR10.
Everything streaming that is not live can be any of the various formats.
But live is one choice only and so ESPN should have been able do it from day one.
In fact it would have been the smart move to do 100% HDR on everything with ESPN.
From a marketing point of view they could have made themselves look more on top of 4k.
If you are old enough 20 years back when HD was brand new there was a dedicated HD channel.
The first I think called HDNET. Mark Cuban owned it and was hugely pro HD and wanted it here now.
To date we have nothing like this for 4K and that's part of the problem.
A 24/7 FULL 4K HDR Channel for sports and variety . Everything sourced from Full 100% 4K / 4K HDR cameras and full 4K studio / editing all the way to the viewer at home.
That is what someone needs to offer.
Or a paid streaming version of it.
Next year I'm guessing Samsung will have a 8K video recording smart phone.
China already has one from a China company. Apple might be there too.
In the meantime we can't even get live sports in 4K for the bulk of the pro leagues and college.
I hope ESPN gets it together soon.
Just tired of waiting for years for this and then getting sub-par 4k picture quality.
And as we all know the Olympics have been doing the best quality on the planet for several years now.
And sourcing from 8k and full studio 8k. They should all have emulated that blueprint. They got it right.
bjf
Disagree with me about what? It was ESPN/ABC's first 4K event ever. If you believed all their hype and thought it would be beautiful and problem free when no one else was able to do that with their first 4K broadcast (and arguably still can't) then that's on you.
I guess I wasn't clear enough.
ESPN has been doing full production of games or sports end to end in test mode.
This has been going on for a long time. The bugs were worked about behind the scenes.
Before you, me and the world could see the first live ESPN 4k game.
That is what the press release pointed to.
This was NOT day one going live in any way shape or form.
They were not so stupid that they would just try it out and hope for the best and then look like idiots.
The first game they did was their version of a finished job.
They were ready to give us the a live 4k sporting event.
Their first for us but very likely they've done dozens of them and got their crew ready and completely
comfortable.
They spent bucks to look like the big man on campus on day ONE.
I could not see game 1 but did see game 2 Oregon v. Wash.
And it was quite disappointing from a quality 4k tech. point of view.
Lots of problems.
Which I've pointed out.
There you go.
You are giving the impressive just give 'em a break and in time they will get it together.
My point is they already HAVE had time and they are not impressing me with the job they are doing.
This isn't some Mom and Pop company this is DISNEY WITH DISNEY MONEY.
ABC and ESPN know how to shoot live sports. There is no excuse for substandard live sports video.
This ain't re-inventing the wheel with 4k production.
HD WAS a major change this is minor except for HDR (which they said they are only doing SDR so even that was not a hurdle with their 4k production).
Hopefully this time you got the jist of what my point was.
If you feel ESPN is just doing a peachy job. Good for you.
I don't think they are and WE all deserve much better from them, NOW.
bjf
ESPN has been doing full production of games or sports end to end in test mode.
This has been going on for a long time. The bugs were worked about behind the scenes.
Before you, me and the world could see the first live ESPN 4k game.
That is what the press release pointed to.
This was NOT day one going live in any way shape or form.
They were not so stupid that they would just try it out and hope for the best and then look like idiots.
The first game they did was their version of a finished job.
They were ready to give us the a live 4k sporting event.
Their first for us but very likely they've done dozens of them and got their crew ready and completely
comfortable.
They spent bucks to look like the big man on campus on day ONE.
I could not see game 1 but did see game 2 Oregon v. Wash.
And it was quite disappointing from a quality 4k tech. point of view.
Lots of problems.
Which I've pointed out.
There you go.
You are giving the impressive just give 'em a break and in time they will get it together.
My point is they already HAVE had time and they are not impressing me with the job they are doing.
This isn't some Mom and Pop company this is DISNEY WITH DISNEY MONEY.
ABC and ESPN know how to shoot live sports. There is no excuse for substandard live sports video.
This ain't re-inventing the wheel with 4k production.
HD WAS a major change this is minor except for HDR (which they said they are only doing SDR so even that was not a hurdle with their 4k production).
Hopefully this time you got the jist of what my point was.
If you feel ESPN is just doing a peachy job. Good for you.
I don't think they are and WE all deserve much better from them, NOW.
bjf
I see an issue ....
You KEEP referring to the Olympics you saw that were Stunning ....
Now we find out that it WASN'T Live ??????
I thought you were talking about Live ....
If it's Not Live, they can do a whole lot more with it ...
Your clearly not comparing Apples to Apples.
Everyone here is Happy to have better pictures, none of us are saying that its Perfect or anything near what it WILL be ... but were all accepting the fact that they are working on it.
Except YOU.
It must Suck to expect perfection right from the start of a new technology.
You KEEP referring to the Olympics you saw that were Stunning ....
Now we find out that it WASN'T Live ??????
I thought you were talking about Live ....
If it's Not Live, they can do a whole lot more with it ...
Your clearly not comparing Apples to Apples.
Everyone here is Happy to have better pictures, none of us are saying that its Perfect or anything near what it WILL be ... but were all accepting the fact that they are working on it.
Except YOU.
It must Suck to expect perfection right from the start of a new technology.
If you watched the LSU Florida game, you would have been more impressed. It was obvious to me and everyone else who watched with me that it was real 4k. And like you, I always refer to the Olympics because that's the best 4K I've ever seen since it was actually 8k cameras being used. But this LSU Florida game was really close to impressing me as much as the Olympics.. One of the most impressive 4k sporting events I've seen.
But the Olympics wasnt live... All of that content can be cleaned up and brought closer to the delivery point to increase bandwidth.
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