Eastern Arc Satellites

[mjstraw]

Customer for years with a pair of 722s off western arc. Dish (can't remember the model) had LNB with 3 eyes, one for each satellite.

Recently upgraded to H3 and Joeys. Installer used same dish, rotated to eastern arc. Replaced LNB with 2-eyed one. I remember the the eastern arc originally had 3 satellites like the western arc. Diagnostics confirm that only two are being used - 61.5 and 72 (actually 72.7 I think).

What happened to 77? Did they move everything off of it?

Mark

 

[Tampa8]

Customer for years with a pair of 722s off western arc. Dish (can't remember the model) had LNB with 3 eyes, one for each satellite.

Recently upgraded to H3 and Joeys. Installer used same dish, rotated to eastern arc. Replaced LNB with 2-eyed one. I remember the the eastern arc originally had 3 satellites like the western arc. Diagnostics confirm that only two are being used - 61.5 and 72 (actually 72.7 I think).

What happened to 77? Did they move everything off of it?

Mark

Hopper 3 can only use 61.5 and 72 on the Eastern Arc, not 77 at this time. Further, 77 has only been needed for a few markets when their locals were on there. Now the SD version for many HD channels is on 77 so you will notice you are not getting the SD version in many instances.

 

[mjstraw]

That's unfortunate. We used to loose 129 due to rain fade and could switch over to SD. Now it seems like rain fade results in "total signal loss".

They switched me to eastern since it would be "more reliable". Can the H3 handle all 3 satellites on the western arc if I ask them to switch me back?

 

[Brussam]

It isn't just as issue of the EA being more reliable.

The issue comes that the duplicate SD channels are not available in all cases on the WA for the Locals that are HD on the EA. Likewise, the EA isn't carrying all the duplicate SD channels for those that are HD on the WA. You have to go where your Locals are.

 

[mjstraw]

All my locals (Pittsburgh PA DMA) are available HD on both eastern and western arcs.

Mark

 

[Brussam]

Lucky for you unlike the rest of the country.

 

[JosephB]

Lucky for you unlike the rest of the country.

Actually, a lot of markets are available on both. Atlanta, GA and Birmingham, AL for example. It still kind of boggles my mind that they have so many duplicated on EA and WA

 

[Brussam]

I had hoped that after dropping support for the older receivers, that the transition would be for no SD Locals and every market to be HD on both Arcs.

 

[JosephB]

I had hoped that after dropping support for the older receivers, that the transition would be for no SD Locals and every market to be HD on both Arcs.

I feel they definitely need to be doing more to squeeze more bandwidth out of their system. I've only recently come back to Dish, and maybe they've said their plans, but I don't get the end game on the Eastern Arc. They've switched to not even installing LNBs that can pick up 77w now. They should be doing the DirecTV thing and pushing towards no SD and then reclaim the bandwidth at 77w for more national HD and/or 4K, and the same thing for all of the SD space at 110/119/129

Satellite, both Dish and DirecTV, are woefully behind cable and the telcos when it comes to HD. I get that it's because cable and IPTV can introduce switched video that increases the usability of their bandwidth, but the satellite assets that both Dish and especially DirecTV with RDBS have is incredible, and if they'd invest a little money in dish repoints and replacing old set tops, they could get back to the point of having superiority over cable. Tie that with skinny bundles and they could squeeze a lot more life out of their "antiquated" linear TV assets for a long time.

 

[Juan]

I feel they definitely need to be doing more to squeeze more bandwidth out of their system. I've only recently come back to Dish, and maybe they've said their plans, but I don't get the end game on the Eastern Arc. They've switched to not even installing LNBs that can pick up 77w now. They should be doing the DirecTV thing and pushing towards no SD and then reclaim the bandwidth at 77w for more national HD and/or 4K, and the same thing for all of the SD space at 110/119/129

Satellite, both Dish and DirecTV, are woefully behind cable and the telcos when it comes to HD. I get that it's because cable and IPTV can introduce switched video that increases the usability of their bandwidth, but the satellite assets that both Dish and especially DirecTV with RDBS have is incredible, and if they'd invest a little money in dish repoints and replacing old set tops, they could get back to the point of having superiority over cable. Tie that with skinny bundles and they could squeeze a lot more life out of their "antiquated" linear TV assets for a long time.

Eastern arc 100% mpeg 4..can't get much more blood from that stone

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[pattykay]

Hopper 3 can only use 61.5 and 72 on the Eastern Arc, not 77 at this time. Further, 77 has only been needed for a few markets when their locals were on there. Now the SD version for many HD channels is on 77 so you will notice you are not getting the SD version in many instances.

I have the full Eastern Arc, including 77, and I still don't get the SD duplicates of some national channels.

 

[Bobby]

I have the full Eastern Arc, including 77, and I still don't get the SD duplicates of some national channels.

You won't. There are no SD duplicates at all on Eastern arc where there are HD. The SD channels available on 77 are local channels...

 

[MikeD-C05]

Funny, I have an eastern arc 1000.2 sat dish and I also have 119 side sat plugged into it. I did that to get the software updates faster , when I was an early software tester years ago. I get sd versions of most of national cable channels and I actually have them locked out because I don't like it to default to the sd version in rain storms. I could just unplug the 119 sat from the mix and they would all go away.

 

[pattykay]

You won't. There are no SD duplicates at all on Eastern arc where there are HD.

That is true for local channels on Eastern Arc, not national channels. There are only a few HD channels with a full Eastern Arc setup that do not have SD duplicates, but do have SD duplicates on Western Arc.

 

[n0qcu]

Funny, I have an eastern arc 1000.2 sat dish and I also have 119 side sat plugged into it. I did that to get the software updates faster , when I was an early software tester years ago. I get sd versions of most of national cable channels and I actually have them locked out because I don't like it to default to the sd version in rain storms. I could just unplug the 119 sat from the mix and they would all go away.

Unfortunately that will not work with the new CUI it will try to switch to the locked out channel causing the receiver to stick on the screen for you to enter the passcode. DISH really needs to fix this!!!!!!!

 

[dare2be]

You won't. There are no SD duplicates at all on Eastern arc where there are HD. The SD channels available on 77 are local channels...

Not true. All of these SD duplicates (and some that are SD only) are available on 77W

105 USA [4511] USA Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
106 TVLND [4509] TV Land MPEG4 SD 77°W
107 CMDY [4670] Comedy Central MPEG4 SD 77°W
108 LIFE [4569] Lifetime Television MPEG4 SD 77°W
109 LMN [4571] Lifetime Movie Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
110 FOOD [4612] Food Network ch 9462 MPEG4 SD 77°W
111 DIY [4608] Do It Yourself Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
112 HGTV [4567] Home & Garden TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
114 E! [4672] Entertainment TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
116 GSN [4678] GSN MPEG4 SD 77°W
117 POP [4391] POP MPEG4 SD 77°W
118 A&E [4502] Arts & Entertainment MPEG4 SD 77°W
120 HIST [4614] The History Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
121 VICE [4616] VICE MPEG4 SD 77°W
122 SYFY [4507] Syfy Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
124 BET [4666] Black Entertainment TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
127 OXYGN [4578] Oxygen MPEG4 SD 77°W
128 WE [4588] WE tv (Women's Entertainment) MPEG4 SD 77°W
129 BRAVO [4561] BRAVO MPEG4 SD 77°W
131 AMC [4695] American Movie Classics MPEG4 SD 77°W
132 TCM [4704] Turner Classic Movies MPEG4 SD 77°W
133 IFC [4699] Independent Film Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
135 BBCA [4598] BBC America MPEG4 SD 77°W
136 FX [4543] FX MPEG4 SD 77°W
138 TNT [4539] Turner Network Television MPEG4 SD 77°W
139 TBS [4533] Turner Broadcasting Service MPEG4 SD 77°W
140 ESPN [4780] Entertainment & Sports Program Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
141 ESPNU [4788] ESPN U MPEG4 SD 77°W
142 ESNWS [4786] ESPNews MPEG4 SD 77°W
143 ESPN2 [4782] ESPN 2 MPEG4 SD 77°W
150 FOXS1 [4553] Fox Sports 1 MPEG4 SD 77°W
152 MLBN [4747] Major League Baseball Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
154 NFL [4739] NFL Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
160 MTV [4680] Music Television MPEG4 SD 77°W
161 MTV2 [4682] Music Television 2 MPEG4 SD 77°W
163 MTVCL [4687] MTVCL MPEG4 SD 77°W
166 CMT [4668] Country Music TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
169 NKJR [4652] Nick Junior MPEG4 SD 77°W
170 NICK [4648] Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite MPEG4 SD 77°W
172 DISE [4636] The Disney Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
173 DISW [4638] The Disney Channel (West) MPEG4 SD 77°W
174 DISXD [4640] Disney XD MPEG4 SD 77°W
175 BOOM [4521] Boomerang MPEG4 SD 77°W
176 TOON [4525] Cartoon Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
178 NICKT [4654] Nicktoons MPEG4 SD 77°W
179 DISCF [4658] DISCF MPEG4 SD 77°W
180 FRFM [4500] FRFM MPEG4 SD 77°W
181 TNCK [4656] Teen Nick MPEG4 SD 77°W
182 DISC [4606] Discovery Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
183 TLC [4586] The Learning Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
184 APL [4596] Animal Planet MPEG4 SD 77°W
185 HLMRK [4565] Hallmark Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
186 NTGEO [4549] National Geographic Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
187 HMM HMM MPEG4 SD 77°W
188 UP Uplifting Entertainment MPEG4 SD 77°W
189 OWN [4574] Oprah Winfrey Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
192 ID [4618] Investigation Discovery MPEG4 SD 77°W
193 SCI [4624] Science Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
195 AHC [4620] AHC MPEG4 SD 77°W
196 TRV [4628] Travel Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
200 CNN [4529] Cable News Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
202 HLN [4531] Headline News MPEG4 SD 77°W
205 FXNWS [4547] Fox News Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
208 CNBC [4715] CNBC US Financial News MPEG4 SD 77°W
209 MSNBC [4725] MSNBC MPEG4 SD 77°W
214 WEATH [4727] The Weather Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
239 WGN [4513] WGN America MPEG4 SD 77°W
241 SPIKE [4505] Spike MPEG4 SD 77°W
242 TRU [4523] truTV MPEG4 SD 77°W
250 ION [4642 6169] ion Televisioin (East) MPEG4 SD 77°W
259 INSP Inspiration Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
270 UNVSN [827 4798 6166] Unknown CLICK HERE to Update MPEG4 SD 77°W
271 UNIME [830 4802 6167] UNIME MPEG4 SD 77°W
273 GLVSN [833 4806] Unknown CLICK HERE to Update MPEG4 SD 77°W
299 REELZ [4702] Reelz Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
301 HBO2E Home Box Office 2 (East) MPEG4 SD 77°W
305 HBOFM Home Box Office Family MPEG4 SD 77°W
340 ENCOR Encore (East) MPEG4 SD 77°W
341 ENCRW Encore (West) MPEG4 SD 77°W
392 BEIN [871 4819] beIN SPORT MPEG4 SD 77°W
401 GOLF [4745] The Golf Channel

 

[JosephB]

Not true. All of these SD duplicates (and some that are SD only) are available on 77W

105 USA [4511] USA Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
106 TVLND [4509] TV Land MPEG4 SD 77°W
107 CMDY [4670] Comedy Central MPEG4 SD 77°W
108 LIFE [4569] Lifetime Television MPEG4 SD 77°W
109 LMN [4571] Lifetime Movie Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
110 FOOD [4612] Food Network ch 9462 MPEG4 SD 77°W
111 DIY [4608] Do It Yourself Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
112 HGTV [4567] Home & Garden TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
114 E! [4672] Entertainment TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
116 GSN [4678] GSN MPEG4 SD 77°W
117 POP [4391] POP MPEG4 SD 77°W
118 A&E [4502] Arts & Entertainment MPEG4 SD 77°W
120 HIST [4614] The History Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
121 VICE [4616] VICE MPEG4 SD 77°W
122 SYFY [4507] Syfy Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
124 BET [4666] Black Entertainment TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
127 OXYGN [4578] Oxygen MPEG4 SD 77°W
128 WE [4588] WE tv (Women's Entertainment) MPEG4 SD 77°W
129 BRAVO [4561] BRAVO MPEG4 SD 77°W
131 AMC [4695] American Movie Classics MPEG4 SD 77°W
132 TCM [4704] Turner Classic Movies MPEG4 SD 77°W
133 IFC [4699] Independent Film Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
135 BBCA [4598] BBC America MPEG4 SD 77°W
136 FX [4543] FX MPEG4 SD 77°W
138 TNT [4539] Turner Network Television MPEG4 SD 77°W
139 TBS [4533] Turner Broadcasting Service MPEG4 SD 77°W
140 ESPN [4780] Entertainment & Sports Program Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
141 ESPNU [4788] ESPN U MPEG4 SD 77°W
142 ESNWS [4786] ESPNews MPEG4 SD 77°W
143 ESPN2 [4782] ESPN 2 MPEG4 SD 77°W
150 FOXS1 [4553] Fox Sports 1 MPEG4 SD 77°W
152 MLBN [4747] Major League Baseball Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
154 NFL [4739] NFL Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
160 MTV [4680] Music Television MPEG4 SD 77°W
161 MTV2 [4682] Music Television 2 MPEG4 SD 77°W
163 MTVCL [4687] MTVCL MPEG4 SD 77°W
166 CMT [4668] Country Music TV MPEG4 SD 77°W
169 NKJR [4652] Nick Junior MPEG4 SD 77°W
170 NICK [4648] Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite MPEG4 SD 77°W
172 DISE [4636] The Disney Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
173 DISW [4638] The Disney Channel (West) MPEG4 SD 77°W
174 DISXD [4640] Disney XD MPEG4 SD 77°W
175 BOOM [4521] Boomerang MPEG4 SD 77°W
176 TOON [4525] Cartoon Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
178 NICKT [4654] Nicktoons MPEG4 SD 77°W
179 DISCF [4658] DISCF MPEG4 SD 77°W
180 FRFM [4500] FRFM MPEG4 SD 77°W
181 TNCK [4656] Teen Nick MPEG4 SD 77°W
182 DISC [4606] Discovery Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
183 TLC [4586] The Learning Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
184 APL [4596] Animal Planet MPEG4 SD 77°W
185 HLMRK [4565] Hallmark Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
186 NTGEO [4549] National Geographic Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
187 HMM HMM MPEG4 SD 77°W
188 UP Uplifting Entertainment MPEG4 SD 77°W
189 OWN [4574] Oprah Winfrey Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
192 ID [4618] Investigation Discovery MPEG4 SD 77°W
193 SCI [4624] Science Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
195 AHC [4620] AHC MPEG4 SD 77°W
196 TRV [4628] Travel Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
200 CNN [4529] Cable News Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
202 HLN [4531] Headline News MPEG4 SD 77°W
205 FXNWS [4547] Fox News Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
208 CNBC [4715] CNBC US Financial News MPEG4 SD 77°W
209 MSNBC [4725] MSNBC MPEG4 SD 77°W
214 WEATH [4727] The Weather Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
239 WGN [4513] WGN America MPEG4 SD 77°W
241 SPIKE [4505] Spike MPEG4 SD 77°W
242 TRU [4523] truTV MPEG4 SD 77°W
250 ION [4642 6169] ion Televisioin (East) MPEG4 SD 77°W
259 INSP Inspiration Network MPEG4 SD 77°W
270 UNVSN [827 4798 6166] Unknown CLICK HERE to Update MPEG4 SD 77°W
271 UNIME [830 4802 6167] UNIME MPEG4 SD 77°W
273 GLVSN [833 4806] Unknown CLICK HERE to Update MPEG4 SD 77°W
299 REELZ [4702] Reelz Channel MPEG4 SD 77°W
301 HBO2E Home Box Office 2 (East) MPEG4 SD 77°W
305 HBOFM Home Box Office Family MPEG4 SD 77°W
340 ENCOR Encore (East) MPEG4 SD 77°W
341 ENCRW Encore (West) MPEG4 SD 77°W
392 BEIN [871 4819] beIN SPORT MPEG4 SD 77°W
401 GOLF [4745] The Golf Channel

That's a lot of room that could be used for HD/4K. Are there even any MPEG4 compatible SD only receivers?

 

[dare2be]

That's a lot of room that could be used for HD/4K. Are there even any MPEG4 compatible SD only receivers?

A lot less room than you think, probably. Even though it's MPEG4, the modulation on 77W is 16-QAM, which isn't as bandwidth efficient as 8SPK.

 

[JosephB]

A lot less room than you think, probably. Even though it's MPEG4, the modulation on 77W is 16-QAM, which isn't as bandwidth efficient as 8SPK.

Yeah, but that's 80 SD channels. Ignoring transponder loading, you could easily get 20-30 HD channels out of that space, and that is more than enough to fill the glaring holes in the lineup, and it's plenty of space to add one or two 4K channels. And that's even if you left the modulation the same (I'm going off the assumption that satellite doesn't support 8PSK?)

 

[dare2be]

I'm going off the assumption that satellite doesn't support 8PSK?

That's my assumption as well. It's one of the oldest satellites in the fleet, IIRC.