DVB-S2 Whats available on Ku

[Sadie]

I'm trying to justify buying a new toy, a DVB-S2 card, I know eventually most things will go DVB-S2 but right now whats available on a regular basis on Ku that isn't available with a regular DVB card (twinhan 102g) ?

I know the is a lot more is available on C Band but I'm still trying to convince the wife that a little 6ft dish would look good in the yard.

 

[turbosat]

Can't answer the question, but I don't believe 'most things will go DVB-S2 eventually'. There will probably be some migration by services that use a lot of satellite time, but I believe DVB-S will be around for quite a while yet.

 

[nycrich]

It might be easier to check the list on Lyngsat. Firstly find out which part of the satellite arc you will be able to view. Then check the listings on Lyngsat. Even though their list is a bit outdated, it still give a good idea of whats available.
Keep in mind even though you did not mention it as a criteria that there are lots of wildfeeds on DVB-S2, and even more changing to that format. If I was going to buy any future sat hardware I will definetly look into getting DVB-S2 option, especially with the lower prices, and the trend of most services to change to that format.

 

[Sadie]

Checked Lyngsat for my arc 83W to 125W and all I could find was a couple of NBC stations on AMC1 @ 103W, figured I had to missing something hence my question.

I've read a lot of discussion about people going to great effort to get DVB-S2 and HD working, it's fun to do these things just because you can but once you have got it working where do you go to watch something?
From what I've found so far it's either wild feeds or C band.

 

[Mr Tony]

only 24/7 DVB-S2 is
Louisiana PBS on 125W and saying "24/7" might be misleading...numerous issues in the northern states with it at night
NBC on 103W

 

[crackt]

only 24/7 DVB-S2 is
Louisiana PBS on 125W and saying "24/7" might be misleading...numerous issues in the northern states with it at night
NBC on 103W

theres oeta @ amc21 as well but havent seen much s2 on the ku.

crackt out,.

 

[Blindowl1234]

Sadie, Here's my 2 cents worth....I'd still go ahead and get a 6 ft dish for the regular Cband stuff. since summer I spend 70% of my time watching the stuff on Cband. CW, Ion, ASN, APTN, Classic Arts, QVC....I'd love to watch the high def stuff and some of the feeds in Hd but...
1. There's not one receiver yet that does it all...still waiting like everyone else on that one.
2. The cost of another new receiver. I'll have to wait and enjoy what I have now
Just my opinion though....Blind

 

[PopcornNMore]

Sadie, Here's my 2 cents worth....I'd still go ahead and get a 6 ft dish for the regular Cband stuff. since summer I spend 70% of my time watching the stuff on Cband. CW, Ion, ASN, APTN, Classic Arts, QVC....I'd love to watch the high def stuff and some of the feeds in Hd but...
1. There's not one receiver yet that does it all...still waiting like everyone else on that one.
2. The cost of another new receiver. I'll have to wait and enjoy what I have now
Just my opinion though....Blind

I agree 100%!

 

[Sadie]

LBS PBS is all the excuse I need, how is the signal compared to the other PBS stations, what are the night time issues? I'm quite far north.

Would love to put up a C band dish, found some C/Ku all metal dishes on Ebay for $230 Can including shipping in Canada but I'm going have to run the cables over 300ft to keep it out of sight of the wife. The ground is frozen hard for the next 3-4 months so maybe I'll play with a DVB-S2 card while I figure out how to install the bigger dish.

 

[Lak7]

what are the night time issues?

It disappears in the evening.

how is the signal compared to the other PBS stations

For me, it's weaker that 12180 and stronger than 12140, but very touchy.

 

[Mr Tony]

agreed with lak7

works great during the day here in Minnesota then seems to drop like a rock after 5:00 local time (CST)

 

[Sadie]

I've also read elsewhere that OETA Oklahoma PBS is available on AMC21 DVB-S2, can any one confirm this? If so how does the signal compare

 

[Corrado]

I know the is a lot more is available on C Band but I'm still trying to convince the wife that a little 6ft dish would look good in the yard.

The issue would be a 6' dish is not large enough for reliable DVB-S2 C band reception. A 10' dish would be a minimum. Many S2 feeds have high FEC coding such as 8/9 which wouldn't even be a blip on a 6'er.

I have excellent Ku band S2 results on AMC21 with a 90cm dish.

 

[Hermitman]

Just for fun, I scanned some satellites for S2 transponders (except the Dish Network types). Below is the list. Some are QPSK and others are 8PSK. Not all are programs; there are data streams, encrypted programs and blank screens (maybe open feed channels). I think it shows that S2 is well incorporated in the Ku band and will probably expand when companies get the money to change over their equipment. Have fun.

79 Degrees – None

83 Degrees
12040 H 32.997
12080 H 32.998
12120 H 32.998
11740 V 29.998

87 Degrees
11800 H 29.998
11840 H 29.998
12040 H 29.998
12080 H 29.998
12044 V 3.199

89 Degrees
11746 H 5.788
11820 H 32.998
11900 H 32.998
12020 H 32.998
12172 H 16.709

91 Degrees
11760 H 29.998
11885 H 1.849
11820 V 29.998

93 Degrees
11997 H 23.998
12028 H 23.998

95 Degrees
11870 H 23.998
12169 H 21.498

97 Degrees – None

99 Degrees
11720 H 29.997
12000 H 32.995
12120 H 32.997
12030 V 12.999

101 Degrees
11975 V 4.099

103 Degrees – None

105 Degrees – None

121 Degrees
12078 H 4.000

123 Degrees
12087 H 7.679

125 Degrees
12072 H 16.666
11980 V 29.998
12050 V 3.200

127 Degrees
11820 H 29.998
11860 H 32.997
11956 V 2.499
11920 V 32.997
12029 V 2.500
12080 V 29.998
12160 V 32.997

129 Degrees – None

 

[Sadie]

Thanks interesting list, what size dish were you using for that scan?

 

[Hermitman]

10 foot mesh with a corotor. Have fun.

 

[goaliebob99]

The issue would be a 6' dish is not large enough for reliable DVB-S2 C band reception. A 10' dish would be a minimum. Many S2 feeds have high FEC coding such as 8/9 which wouldn't even be a blip on a 6'er.

I have excellent Ku band S2 results on AMC21 with a 90cm dish.

I can attest to that! I have a 7 1/2 footer and I have alot of issues on Cband S2. I can get alot of it, but the stuff with the higher fec rates give me one heck of a headache. Ill eventually get it upgraded to a 12 footer, and a 1 meter on ku. That would me my ultimate setup!

 

[B.J.]

Just for fun, I scanned some satellites for S2 transponders (except the Dish Network types). Below is the list. Some are QPSK and others are 8PSK. ....
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Thanks.

I'm curious about the QPSK ones. Could you give an example of a DVB-S2 QPSK? My darn TT3200 doesn't differentiate between QPSK and 8PSK, and I usually don't program things into my Diamond or Azbox until I see what's on it with the 3200 or someone posts the freq, so I haven't run into a transponder yet that I knew for sure was DVB-S2 QPSK yet.
I HAVE run into a couple transponders that apparently are using the phase shifted dual mode (I forget what it's called without off hand) that will lock in both QPSK and 8PSK mode, so I'm wondering if the ones you identified as QPSK are really the transponders that lock in both modes?
In any event, I'd like to tune in a DVB-S2 QPSK, just to see how it behaves on my various receivers, so I'd appreciate an example to play with. Thanks.

BTW, that dual mode I referred to seems like a waste, as it seems like they'd have to have the same content in both modes, so I don't quite understand what good it is.