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No black helicopters. The first chipset in the 622 was supposed to decode the VC1 HD streams, however the version of VC1 it supported is now a real old BUGGY version. The 722 has a new chipset which features the latest VC1 code and is very stable.

That is why the 622 can't do HD movies on DishONLINE.

So is the CPU in the 622 not fast enough to decode VC1, or isn't there enough RAM to do so, or enough flash memory to hold the code to do so, or what? That's what I was getting at. If Dish didn't build the receiver with at least as much capability as a general-purpose computer, seeing as how it's about as big as one, I'd say that's pretty short-sighted of them!
 
well, if the chip doesnt support it, then there isnt any firmware that would enable it..Don't forget, there is always the chance this was done intentionally, to give people a reason to spend some $$$ and upgrade to a 722.

There are ways to get one for free. A tech can replace a "defective" 622 with a 722 at his discretion with no financial reprocussions to the customer. It may be a bit of a crapshoot, however, they tech may or may not have one on his van.
 
So is the CPU in the 622 not fast enough to decode VC1, or isn't there enough RAM to do so, or enough flash memory to hold the code to do so, or what? That's what I was getting at. If Dish didn't build the receiver with at least as much capability as a general-purpose computer, seeing as how it's about as big as one, I'd say that's pretty short-sighted of them!
No the video decoding chip which houses the VC1 codec (which is used for the HD Internet Streaming) was buggy.

Dish did not make that chip. It was a Broadcom chip.

The new broadcom chip features a newer version of VC1 that works correctly.
 
There are ways to get one for free. A tech can replace a "defective" 622 with a 722 at his discretion with no financial reprocussions to the customer. It may be a bit of a crapshoot, however, they tech may or may not have one on his van.

Is the 722 now the ONLY HDDVR that is out in the marketplace, or is DISH still shipping 622's to their installers?
I guess eventually the well will run dry, but I wonder how long it will be until the entire pipeline of 622's runs "dry"
 
Is the 722 now the ONLY HDDVR that is out in the marketplace, or is DISH still shipping 622's to their installers?
I guess eventually the well will run dry, but I wonder how long it will be until the entire pipeline of 622's runs "dry"

They haven't run dry of 721s- for replacements, at least. I suspect that's the mode the ViP622 is moving to.
 
Dish Account number will not authorize

I was originally signed up for Dishonline but re signed up based on email. First I had problem posted elsewhere but was solved by deleting all cookies. Now I have the account but I cannot get my Dish network account to authorize. I keep getting message that the system times out. Anyone else having this problem. I have tried to do this on two separate computers one at home and another at a different location and still get the same time out error.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

JC
 
I seems that the ViP622 is the 721 of the HD age, lifespan wise.

I wonder what the cost to up to a ViP722 from a ViP622 will be after Xmas and after they have HD VOD, etc working. I'd hate to give up my nice stable ViP622, but the features might be worth it. If they let me download an HD movie for $5 or so, and keep it on the DVR until I get around to watching it, I might be persuaded. I'm not much on PPV - I lost 2 I paid for that I never finished watching before my 721 HDD failed.


I'm still using a 721 and a 7100 as well as a VIP622. IS it Dishes fault the the latest chip they could use turned out to be buggy?


So is the CPU in the 622 not fast enough to decode VC1, or isn't there enough RAM to do so, or enough flash memory to hold the code to do so, or what? That's what I was getting at. If Dish didn't build the receiver with at least as much capability as a general-purpose computer, seeing as how it's about as big as one, I'd say that's pretty short-sighted of them!


Considering that the CPU could be running well under a Ghz with little ram.

Tivo 1st gen were under 100Mhz and 16Mb ram as I rmember it.


There is no need for a DVR to have a powerful Processor and gobs of memory. All the work is done by dedicated chips. In a Tivo Encoding is hardware. In a Tivo and other DVRs all decoding is done in hardware. FWIW DVD players have what you would call very weak processors too and all decoding is done in hardware.

The only reason these DVRs have a processor at all is to control the hardware decoder, Timers, and display of guide etc.

These days most newer electronics have a processor. TV sets, Microwaves, VCR, DVR, Your router etc.
 
No the video decoding chip which houses the VC1 codec (which is used for the HD Internet Streaming) was buggy.

Dish did not make that chip. It was a Broadcom chip.

The new broadcom chip features a newer version of VC1 that works correctly.
Yes, and so I am wondering why Dish doesn't just use the same AVC codec that they use for Dish-HD, instead of VC-1 ?

The only answer that seems likely is that the VOD service is provided by someone else, who is already using VC-1. VC-1 is less efficient than AVC, so the files are going to be larger and take longer to download.

I have to say that the idea of downloading movies over the Internet is contradictory to the whole idea of Satellite TV. If your broadband feed is that fast, then why not get everything over IP?

Also, the number of people with a sufficiently fast broadband to download HD movies in VC-1, and who don't already have a 722, is probably not more than a handful...
 
Yes, and so I am wondering why Dish doesn't just use the same AVC codec that they use for Dish-HD, instead of VC-1 ?

The only answer that seems likely is that the VOD service is provided by someone else, who is already using VC-1. VC-1 is less efficient than AVC, so the files are going to be larger and take longer to download.

I have to say that the idea of downloading movies over the Internet is contradictory to the whole idea of Satellite TV. If your broadband feed is that fast, then why not get everything over IP?

Also, the number of people with a sufficiently fast broadband to download HD movies in VC-1, and who don't already have a 722, is probably not more than a handful...


This is a very interesting point. The total bandwidth from all of those satellites is huge--as a rough estimate say 6 satellites times 16 transponders (plus spot beams) per satellite times 30 mbps per transponder gives roughly 2.8 Gigbits/second. But this bandwidth is shared by everyone in the country (again, ignoring spotbeams). For the model of delivering the same thing (or same sets of programming) to lots of people at the same time, it's a very efficient system.

But the bandwidth per user isn't that big--divide the 2.8 Gbps by say 10 million users, and you get 280 bps--a tiny number. If you wanted to provide internet access to every by satellite, it wouldn't be very good. I'm of course ignoring here that the average user bandwidth is vastly lower than the peak speeds we pay for. Without video downloads, a subscriber maybe downloads 1 Gigabyte per month. Since a month is about 2.6 million seconds, the average subscriber's usage is only about 1.1 kbps. Video changes that equation, as does what time of day people want the bandwidth--few people want to download video at 3 AM, but lots would at 8 PM. But this is enough to get my point across--a satellite network isn't very good at providing different content to every user.

Let's go back to the point about ignoring spot beams. This does change the equation, but not radically. How many spot beams could a satellite support? Clearly this has been growing with time, so let's pick a number that seems crazily high--say 100. That would increase the average per-user bandwidth to 28 kbps. I don't have a simple way to model the different times people want content, but since people want to watch video at similar times in general, it can't be a huge factor--maybe as much as a x10 improvement in my wildest imagination.

At first glance this makes it look like satellite is doomed--but that requires the assumption that everyone wants different content at the same time. This is a very poor assumption. Clearly there has been a trend for more content to different subsets of people over time. But also clearly people like watching similar things--otherwise everyone would rent movies, and no one would subscribe to satellite or cable TV.

But given the trend for increased specialization, and also given that downloading a movie is more convenient than going to a video rental store, and given that the movie rental business is big bucks, it seems like the idea of a video provider creating another revenue stream, as well as going along with the trend of increasing specialization, as well as movie downloads from other sources, makes a ton of sense. Now it's a question of convenience, quality and price.

And don't forget regulation--the whole "network neutrality" debate has been key for the satellite providers. Without it they wouldn't be able to provide video through the Internet at a low delivery cost--the other nework providers (cable, DSL, and fiber) would be able to charge an extra fee for video delivered by other providers. I find it interesting that these services (VOD through Internet to satellite boxes) are being rolled out shortly after the FCC came down on the side of network neutrality--I can easily imagine that the satellite people were waiting for that to happen before rolling out a service that depended on network neutrality.
 
Just to chime in about movie download speed. With ATT (Bellsouth) DSL Xtreme 6.0. I downloaded 2 films and it took about 3 hours per movie. give or take a few minuets. It seems that the source is slow and intermittent. I would notice the download seemed to pause at times, I assume due to server or pipe overload. Anyway, just passing this along. But for now you really have to plan ahead if there is something you want to see cause you won't see it the evening you order it say at 9PM (unless you like to stay up late!)
 
So you've actually tried it, what's the resolution like? I have 3Mb/s DSL and I can download a 4.7GB DVD rip in as little as 4 hours if everything is running smoothly.
 
I have not watched them all the way through yet but the picture looks good from a quick test run I did for about 5 minuets and of course as mentioned by Scott and some others earlier in this thread, it's standard def. I know the sound on the movie I test ran was not 5.1, just plain PCM (2 channels) but this may only be the movie its self. As far as my connection and the slow download speed, My connection supports speeds up to 6Mb/s (Bellsouth/ATT's claim. I test closer to 4.8-5 on a good day because I'm not that close to my CO) but I have great speed for most downloads. So the reason I'm saying their source for the video downloads is slow or overwhelmed.
 
Just an update to my last reply...

We watched both movies last night, Event Horizon and Stephen King's Thinner.
The experience was the same as watching a regular PPV with 2 channel sound. Picture quality was good as was the sound. No problems with dropouts or video/sound sync. I was able to zoom the picture to wide screen and really can't complain about anything except the slow download speed when acquiring them.
Nice additional feature! Hope Dish works on expansion of the feature so I can stop hearing the bragging my friend with Comcast does about all the features they offer that we don't have. Kind of dissapointed that I bought a 622 with the lame Broadcom chip that won't allow future Hi Def downloads. But that's early adoption for ya!
 

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