Dish to begin DRM on PPV May 6th

[waltinvt]

Ok, I get it. But even that is unacceptable. Many times I have started something and finished it days later.

I agree, Charlie can take Dish's PPV and shove it.

Exactly!

For example. I recorded Michael Clayton weeks ago but we still have not had time to watch it. I wanted to get it on the HDD before they took it off PPV (which they have).

Families with younger kids have limited windows in which to watch "R" rated movies - hardly ever would it fall in a 24 hour time frame.

 

[waltinvt]

Just remember SLYSOFT FTW!!!! When you finally do get one.

I proudly wear one of their "Fair Use" tee shirts and people, seeing the cute little red fox, ask what "Fair Use" means. I try to explain but mostly I get a kind of blank stare.

 

[waltinvt]

You will still be able to.

The 24 hour period does NOT start until you start watching the movie.

and how long do you think it will be before there's a time limit even if you haven't started watching it?

 

[Rangers484]

I agreed with your original post and I reiterate here - Good post Pepper.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
Charles Ergen is responsible for this. And before anyone defends him saying it's all because of the studios, refer to what I wrote the other day in a thread about EHD storage issues but the same thing applies here.Charles Ergen, you are hereby notified that I will never again pay money for any "pay per view" event on your service again, as long as DRM is in place.




Pssst...Charlie doesn't care because this isn't his fight. You can accept the end user terms of agreement or not. You have alternatives, use them.

 

[waltinvt]

Dish just kissed off any further PPV revenue from me. I'd do 1-2 HDPPV movies/month...but that's over with now.

I'll go rent what I want to watch now (probably via Netflix) or wait for it to hit HBO/Cinemax/Showtime/Starz in HD (unless they DRM that too...then I'll drop the movie packages and rely soley on rentals).

Damn greedy studio pigs.

I have the AE pack. There is zero reason for me to rent a PPV movie. I will either catch it in the theatre or wait until it comes on one of the movie channels.

Think how many national HD channels that E* can now put in the PPV channel slots that will be largely unused by May 8th !

Remember DiVX DVD Discs that expired ? You probably don't because no one bought them and they died out.

PPV will be over by 2009, may long before that.

Anyone who thinks this is going to remain limited to PPV is naive. You have to look at the bigger picture here folks. This is about greed and power and it will go as far as it's allowed to. I'm betting money it won't be long before we see it on all the premium movie channels and probably eventually on prime time network tv.

 

[long_time_DNC]

What about a upconverting HDMI DVD player? Same issue. My Sony DVD player would not work via HDMI with the XBR either.

Great... My Samsung upconverting player is DVI not HDMI, so I'm likely hosed when HDCP gets activated.

The bastards are going to make my HDTV obsolete yet...

 

[ralfyguy]

Well, if they would release the PPV the same day as they hit the store, in HD and from all the studio's I wouldn't mind.

EXACTLY! Thank You!

 

[rockymtnhigh]

Exactly!

For example. I recorded Michael Clayton weeks ago but we still have not had time to watch it. I wanted to get it on the HDD before they took it off PPV (which they have).

Families with younger kids have limited windows in which to watch "R" rated movies - hardly ever would it fall in a 24 hour time frame.

Yeah, I recorded the same film - and since it is on my archive (which is unavailable for the next few weeks while I am without Dish), it means I'll never get to watch it -- assuming it is DRM'd

 

[old corps]

Of course I can't find the link now, but D* started doing this on HBO starting with the "John Adams" mini-series on Tivo receivers. The day that happens with HBO on E* is the day I cancel 'em. If I remember correctly, not only was there a 24 hour window, but it could only be viewed ONCE, period.

Ed

 

[long_time_DNC]

Yeah, I recorded the same film - and since it is on my archive (which is unavailable for the next few weeks while I am without Dish), it means I'll never get to watch it -- assuming it is DRM'd

Since you've already recorded it prior to 05/06, you're probably okay. If this DRM implementation is retroactive and gets rid of the movies I've archived, I'm really going to be torqued-off!

 

[long_time_DNC]

Of course I can't find the link now, but D* started doing this on HBO starting with the "John Adams" mini-series on Tivo receivers. The day that happens with HBO on E* is the day I cancel 'em. If I remember correctly, not only was there a 24 hour window, but it could only be viewed ONCE, period.

Ed

+1

 

[Slamminc11]

Charles Ergen is responsible for this. And before anyone defends him saying it's all because of the studios, refer to what I wrote the other day in a thread about EHD storage issues but the same thing applies here.Charles Ergen, you are hereby notified that I will never again pay money for any "pay per view" event on your service again, as long as DRM is in place.

Yeah,. Charlie is so responsible for this happening that he was able to make Direct have to do it too!

 

[long_time_DNC]

Y'know, there's another issue that ticks me off too. The license window.

I'd use the last chance channel to save some money on ppv. Since the license window is typically a day or two, not 3-6 months, that's even a further limitation.

I sure hope Scott brings this whole issue up at the Team Summit. They've essentially killed any usefulness ppv ever had (and their on-demand is a total joke).

 

[broadcasttheworld]

I currently order PPV movies and dirct burn them on a DVD burner if I like the movie. Will the DRM be able to eat itself once on a DVD?

 

[noremac]

I currently order PPV movies and dirct burn them on a DVD burner if I like the movie. Will the DRM be able to eat itself once on a DVD?

I believe most DVD recorders have to abide by flags that could prevent recording. Nevertheless, if you are able to continue recording on DVD, you are limited to NTSC (480i), no DD5.1 audio, no closed captioning, etc. For all this, why not just rent from BB/Netflix and dupe the original DVD (in 480p, DD5.1, all features intact, ...)? To hell with HD PPV...

 

[KAB]

Yeah,. Charlie is so responsible for this happening that he was able to make Direct have to do it too!

Isn't it amazing how some people would probably blame Charlie for global warming as well?

 

[vikingrob]

Dealt with by locking out channel 103, everything in the 500's, and channels 9464 through 9467.

 

[CubsWin]

Of course I can't find the link now, but D* started doing this on HBO starting with the "John Adams" mini-series on Tivo receivers.

Wow, talk about taking a step backwards with technology... If pay movie channels start enforcing this, then I guess I will just no longer pay for those movie channels. I rarely watch anything the same day I record it and often watch programs over multiple days instead of one sitting. If time limits are put on DVR recordings, then they are effectively eliminating the usefulness of DVR's. Maybe VCR's are the wave of the future...

 

[Zero327]

Thank you. That had to be said

And yet everytime Chuck tries to "rally" consumers to fight for lower prices on his stations (yes, he's trying to save money, but a price increase is just an inconvenience to consumers as a price hike follows, this is pretty much the same thing) everyone criticizes.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS! Do you want Charlie to think for you? Or do you want him to ignore everything, and deal with it just by jacking up the prices? Pick one, you can't have both.

 

[treiher]

Here's a copy of the email I just sent to Dish, not that it will matter much, but we should all make sure Dish is aware of what people are thinking . . .

"Just an FYI . . . I have bought my last Pay Per View movie due to this new policy and the new 24 hour restriction. These movies offer no value to me. Too expensive, too restrictive in viewing, and they're not even really new releases. There are too many better choices among new release movies that aren't even available yet on Dish pay per view. So, PPV has been blocked on all my receivers and I have deleted the favorite list I was using to see only those channels.

Also, I have already discussed with my wife, and if HBO, Cinemax, or any of the other premium channels start doing this we will drop them as well. I don't care if we have no premium service at all. Dish Network and those premium channels will lose those dollars. I'll probably go ahead and buy a blue ray player and start buying DVD's again.

Good luck with this dilemna. I suspect many hold my view. I've always really liked Dish Network and your service. You've done a few things over the years that I have not liked, but this one has the potential to be really bad, when I compare this to that $130 bill I get every month. I can assure you, when you decrease the value of your service to me, my bill will go down, one way or another."