Streaming on the way..
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Dish Streaming Service to Be $30, Charge More For Broadcast TV
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Dish Network Corp. wants to leave broadcast channels out of the basic package it offers consumers when it launches an online TV service, people familiar with the matter said, a move that is emerging as a sticking point in negotiations with major media companies.
The satellite operator has said its service, which is expected to debut soon, will cost in the neighborhood of a “dollar a day,” or roughly $30 a month, and offer an array of well-known cable channels.
But Dish is proposing to relegate broadcasters such as ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox to a separate “tier” that would cost consumers more. Such a move, if successful, would flip on its head the longtime practice of cable and satellite operators offering broadcast networks in their lowest-cost packages.
Dish’s proposal is meeting with resistance from broadcasters. TV channels generally want to be carried in the most widely available package. Broadcasters such as Fox and CBS have been touting the revenue from pay-TV carriage fees as a major growth driver for their businesses. That subscription money is becoming especially important in a soft ad market.
Walt Disney Co. ’s ABC is the only major broadcaster that has a deal in place with Dish for the online service, part of a broader carriage agreement for Disney networks. Under that contract, Dish has the option to place ABC on a separate tier, subject to other conditions, a person familiar with the matter said. If Dish doesn’t convince other broadcasters to go along with a separate tier within a certain period of time, ABC would become part of the basic Dish package, another person familiar with the situation said.
Dish’s strategy reflects a new reality: there are more homes “cutting the cord,” or dropping traditional pay TV subscriptions. The satellite provider appears to be betting that it can appeal to those users with the new online service without making broadcast channels part of the basic package. Cord-cutters have the option of using an antenna to pick up over-the-air broadcast stations to complement other online fare like Netflix Inc. or Hulu.
The pay TV industry has lost more than 2.2 million customers since the third quarter of last year, according to a recent report from Nielsen. Media executives estimated that there are about 10 million “broadband-only” households, and they are keen to target that audience. CBS, for example, has launched a $5.99 per month service to stream its own programming, while Time Warner Inc. ’s HBO plans its own stand-alone streaming service.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/dish-ne...ers-out-of-basic-online-tv-package-1418253124
The satellite operator has said its service, which is expected to debut soon, will cost in the neighborhood of a “dollar a day,” or roughly $30 a month, and offer an array of well-known cable channels.
But Dish is proposing to relegate broadcasters such as ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox to a separate “tier” that would cost consumers more. Such a move, if successful, would flip on its head the longtime practice of cable and satellite operators offering broadcast networks in their lowest-cost packages.
Dish’s proposal is meeting with resistance from broadcasters. TV channels generally want to be carried in the most widely available package. Broadcasters such as Fox and CBS have been touting the revenue from pay-TV carriage fees as a major growth driver for their businesses. That subscription money is becoming especially important in a soft ad market.
Walt Disney Co. ’s ABC is the only major broadcaster that has a deal in place with Dish for the online service, part of a broader carriage agreement for Disney networks. Under that contract, Dish has the option to place ABC on a separate tier, subject to other conditions, a person familiar with the matter said. If Dish doesn’t convince other broadcasters to go along with a separate tier within a certain period of time, ABC would become part of the basic Dish package, another person familiar with the situation said.
Dish’s strategy reflects a new reality: there are more homes “cutting the cord,” or dropping traditional pay TV subscriptions. The satellite provider appears to be betting that it can appeal to those users with the new online service without making broadcast channels part of the basic package. Cord-cutters have the option of using an antenna to pick up over-the-air broadcast stations to complement other online fare like Netflix Inc. or Hulu.
The pay TV industry has lost more than 2.2 million customers since the third quarter of last year, according to a recent report from Nielsen. Media executives estimated that there are about 10 million “broadband-only” households, and they are keen to target that audience. CBS, for example, has launched a $5.99 per month service to stream its own programming, while Time Warner Inc. ’s HBO plans its own stand-alone streaming service.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/dish-ne...ers-out-of-basic-online-tv-package-1418253124
Dish wants to keep broadcasters out of basic Web TV service
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/11/dish-network-internet-idUSL3N0TV01I20141211
Dish Network Corp does not want to include broadcast channels in the basic package for its planned online TV service, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/11/dish-network-internet-idUSL3N0TV01I20141211
Dish Network Corp does not want to include broadcast channels in the basic package for its planned online TV service, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter.
Perfect. OTA for broadcast. Net for the "cable" stuff.
But, without DVR functionality, it's limited to channels with deep on-demand capabilities.
BTW, will this be a Roku "channel", like Dish International?
But, without DVR functionality, it's limited to channels with deep on-demand capabilities.
BTW, will this be a Roku "channel", like Dish International?
I would drop dish service via KU if I could use the hoppers I bought for the new IPTV service that would be awesome.
You never know they could have a cloud based DVR system with the new service that's the future in my view.
I still wonder if the NuTv service will be available on an application on all media streaming devices or will it be only available on a certain device?
Do we know if the OTT streams will be included in the guide like OTA are? Seems like it would make sense
for Dish to allow customers to scale back programming while keeping all their existing functionality.
Thinking further about this - One of the reasons this may be cheaper than traditional cable/sat service is that we may not be able to skip commercials like we do with a DVR.
It's already like that on Hulu and some content provider web streams. It's especially annoying and insulting on Hulu Plus, as it's a premium paid service.
It's already like that on Hulu and some content provider web streams. It's especially annoying and insulting on Hulu Plus, as it's a premium paid service.
What if we were to put a multiTuner TV card in a computer with 2 or 3 6 TB hard drives And an in house distribution system?
And that is the reason I have not subscribed to Hulu. If there is no way/option to skip commercials then I'm not there. It's not like I never allow them through, and I do watch some, just that I want the option to bypass the crap. Apple launched an "updated" Utube channel on Apple TV with nonskippable commercials, I'm not there.
And an adblocker like program to go with it...
Once again, satellite TV subscription took off when they added LiL So apparently not as many people were interested in DBS when they couldn't see the "Big 4" networks.
I think Dish would get some subscribers with this streaming service, but not as many as they would by offering the "Big 4".
I think Dish would get some subscribers with this streaming service, but not as many as they would by offering the "Big 4".
The subs they are targeting are already online users and not traditional tv subscribers. They probably already use an antenna for local access or don't watch locals. Most network content is available online which was not the case when satellite dbs service started. Many local stations also stream their news programs which is the main local content that most would want in addition to network programming which is available via other sources.
I think it makes perfect sense not to include the local/network programming and its increased cost in Dish's online offering.
I think it makes perfect sense not to include the local/network programming and its increased cost in Dish's online offering.
Without DVR service the big 4 are a lot less value when streaming. You may as well go to the web sites of the big 4, or perhaps Hulu and watch the shows there for free. Especially so when the big 4 are aiming at $2+ a sub each...
I hope Dish sticks with a pass thru billing model for locals and allows individual channels to be purchased. A pipe dream I know, but until there is some solid data to show what folks are actually willing to pay, we'll just be looking at the retrans disputes again.
The main balance has to be that broadcast TV would probably have to raise the price 50%. If Dish is going to have to pay $8-$10 for the big 4, they will also have to have local market streaming set up everywhere, and other overhead. They would have to charge at least $15 to cover the expense, which is half the cost of the package. How many would pay $45/month with big 4 vs $30 without? $45 is closing in on regular cable/DBS prices.
Most households can receive OTA for free. Yes I know that also means that a lot cannot. I have doubts now that a $30 price point will be disruptive enough to draw a large number of subs. Given that it probably has ESPN and Disney in it, programming expenses for Dish are probably at least $10, probably closer to $15. $30 is probably as low as Dish can go. I would even speculate they are planning on losses for a few years to launch the service. Dish can do this where others cannot because Dish already has most the infrastructure in place. They have a large nationwide fiber optic network, all the satellite reception and compression hardware, and large scale contracts with major providers.
So, if you cannot receive OTA signals and you need the OTA sports, this is not your solution.
On the other hand if you have OTA and TiVo, this may be a good deal if you are a light cable watcher and want access to all these channel's on demand internet content.
Most people are going to want all of their local channels so I seen them off from the packages the same as they do today with the option to not have channels in their package for a small discount for satellite. For streaming I can understand them giving the option for locals to keep the price down.
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Hear hear. I think an ideal comeuppance for the broadcasters would be for Dish to stop making me pay for OTA channels via satellite (and of course not pay the broadcasters for those channels I don't get via sat) and let me get them for free on my Dish DVRs via antenna.
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And that is why a service like this won't sell, based on what I am reading this service is being targeted to the 18-30 age range but they already have access to the stuff they want to watch, why pay.
For example, most of those college age kids need is their parents or friends login/password for their TV providers and they can watch anything on their Tablets/Phones/Computers or in some cases certain channels on the Roku type devices.
For example, if they wanted to watch the last current episode of Sons of Anarchy go to FXNow, log in, all set.
For live sports, there is a ton online, Watch ESPN for example.
They don't care about live TV, if Dish was smart they would figure a way to just sell a all app service for cheap ( America's Top 50 net only maybe), just make sure all the channels apps are on the Roku or Apple TV along with the Tablets/Phones.
Cord Cutters or Cord Nevers just will not pay for Cable/TV service, it is now like a religion with them, they are very savvy at finding what they want to watch online for free, OTA, Netflix, Hulu, etc......XBMC for example is what a lot of them use.
