Dish non responsive to its customer wants

[iceondsom]

"The decision not to carry Logo is a very simple business decision. There simply is not enough demand for this channel for E* to justify the cost (in dollars and bandwidth) of carrying it. All the other consipracy theories like them being influenced by Focus on the Family etc. are completely ignorant mud slinging."

Then could you explain, please, why Dish took five years to pick up Oxygen? I know for a fact, as I heard customer service reps say on more than one occasion that O was the number one request and they had many, every day, yet nothing. It is even backed and owned by someone with sort of a following named Oprah. You've heard of her, right? Why do we have it now? Because in negotiations Lifetime called Charlie's bluff and left the lineup and he
blinked and added it. He thought one channel for the ladies was enough apparently, so your excuse of "no demand" only goes so far.

Anyone understand what the Oxgyen negotiations have to do with E* not carrying Logo? You can't possibly be equating the demand for Oxygen to that of Logo. Regardless, it amuses me that some don't understand Business 101. As with any channel, there is a sweet spot at the intersection of a given demand and a given price. When demand is too low or the price too high why the hell would a prudent business person buy?

To their credit E* works diligently to maintain their position as the lowest all digital price in America. If you want to claim some anti-gay bias then come out and say it and quit alluding to it. The programming E* carries isn't dictated by Focus on the Family or any other religious influences. For crying out loud, E* is one of the nation's largest purveyors of pornography!

 

[Dveldh]

Which still does not make them any less crap. My point is that many, who think logo is a waste and do not want to pay for it, is to remind them that there are people out there that may think the channels they like are a waste and don't want to pay for them.

And there comes a point when a channel is not viable simply because not enough people want it and there are a multitude of channels those people do want. Long story short, more people want ESPN-U than Logo. If you want Logo, find a provider that's willing to provide it at a price you're willing to pay. Cable systems, D* and E* aren't into social engineering...they're in the business to make a buck. Deal with it.

 

[OoTLink]

I'm requesting you guys stop bitching and moaning about adding premium/sports channels, because every time, they raise not just your pansy-ass $150/season rate, but they raise my puny ass $30/month rate eventually too!

 

[slocoma]

Every time you write a request for Logo, I'm writing a request that they don't pick up Logo. I'm cancelling your requests out.

 

[Zero327]

Every time you write a request for Logo, I'm writing a request that they don't pick up Logo. I'm cancelling your requests out.

The point is moot. Logo is a politically volatile business transaction. Any approach taken to it would possibly create a PR issue for E* and would certainly demolish its family-friendly image. You'll see Disney HD first. The OP doesn't have to like it, but despite all his whining and complaining, Charlie won't carry programming of a "politically incorrect" (not to me, but to your average American family?) nature if it will harm the stock price, and it would.

It's bad PR, and more importantly, it's a bad business arrangement. Despite your sexual preference OP, same-sex personal preference is still a minority in America. That is what makes any targeted programming to that audience a bad proposition. Heterosexuals statistically are the majority, hence the pornographic programming available. It's all about the demographics, no bias necessary.

As far as Oxygen, a minimum of 45-60% of the planet's population at any given point in time is female. That's about 3.5+ billion potential viewers. I'd say it's a good choice.

Nuff said, in nice neat and politically correct terms.

 

[drdroo]

True but they did have Here! on PPV... So it seems they're not totally against the idea entirely.

 

[Matthew s]

The point is moot. Logo is a politically volatile business transaction. Any approach taken to it would possibly create a PR issue for E* and would certainly demolish its family-friendly image. You'll see Disney HD first. The OP doesn't have to like it, but despite all his whining and complaining, Charlie won't carry programming of a "politically incorrect" (not to me, but to your average American family?) nature if it will harm the stock price, and it would.

It's bad PR, and more importantly, it's a bad business arrangement. Despite your sexual preference OP, same-sex personal preference is still a minority in America. That is what makes any targeted programming to that audience a bad proposition. Heterosexuals statistically are the majority, hence the pornographic programming available. It's all about the demographics, no bias necessary.

As far as Oxygen, a minimum of 45-60% of the planet's population at any given point in time is female. That's about 3.5+ billion potential viewers. I'd say it's a good choice.

Nuff said, in nice neat and politically correct terms.

Then again my other option is political and pushing legislators to increase regulation. So if dish won't carry LOGO then I will push my congress people to increase FCC regulations. Maybe nationalization of all the echostar sats. I may be in the minority but I still have a voice politically. BTW more regulation would hurt them then carrying one little channel, no matter how controversial

 

[Zero327]

Then again my other option is political and pushing legislators to increase regulation. So if dish won't carry LOGO then I will push my congress people to increase FCC regulations. Maybe nationalization of all the echostar sats. I may be in the minority but I still have a voice politically. BTW more regulation would hurt them then carrying one little channel, no matter how controversial

Um... You could try, but democracy favors majority rule. Again, you're in the minority in a democratic country, and Charlie I guarantee can afford to lobby longer, and in higher dollar amounts than you or the like-minded minority populace.

You statistically have a better chance of walking up to Charlie, twisting his arm and getting him to put on LOGO than you do of winning a political fight against a multi-billion dollar corporation, let alone passing laws/reguations against it. As far as nationalizing one companies' satellites, E* leases half its transponders and you'd have to have the competition's nationalized to avoid anti-trust/unfair competition.

Just being a realist, but you can't win this one.

 

[amoni]

"Politically volatile business transaction"??

How are things in 1967? You do realize that LOGO is carried by Direct TV as well as all major cable outlets don't you?

"Demolish its family-friendly image." ???

Dish Network is a major provider of hardcore pornography.