Dish Network question

Dbcurtis

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Oct 26, 2005
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First off I want to be clear, I AM NOT STEALING DISH NETWORK!
I just have a question, since someone in my family has approched me about doing this.

He/She wants me to add his/her receivers to my account, he/she will then hook up a dish and receivers at his/her home (minus the phone line).

I know this is illegal, I declined with an imphatic NO (accompanied by other adjectives).

My question is: Is it really that simple?
 
Simple answer - yes.

But, YOU'RE the one who will pay the price when the E* receiver audit call comes in. You'll lose ALL your receivers.
 
What you are talking about is called "stacking".

It can be done, but when your account adds receivers the account will get audited sooner or later.

You won't lose your receivers, but the others are likely to be shut off and not allowed on your account again.

What they do is call you and you have to go to each TV and push the "system info" button on the remote. You'll see a "Location ID" at the bottom of the screen.

While this really doesn't have anything to do with actual location, it does change every 10 minutes. If you give the wrong location ID, that receiver will be shut off.

You can't just call your relative on a cell phone, if this takes too long or they hear your talking to someone else, you fail.

You can beat an audit, don't get me wrong, but is it really worth jumping everytime the phone rings because it could be an audit?

You will sleep better at night telling your relations to get what they want on their own. If they can't afford it, they don't need it. If they can afford it, they have no excuse not to get their own.....
 
Yes it is exactly that simple and called account stacking and that is the reason for a phone line connection at all time. Now that they have the Illegal smartcard issues under control they are going after the account stacker right now as we speak so keep those phone lines connected or get audited.
 
aquaman67 said:
You can't just call your relative on a cell phone, if this takes too long or they hear your talking to someone else, you fail.
I can think of a couple ways around that... 1) You can certainly call them on another phone line but whether or not they're home or not is a different story ! 2) "That receiver is in the detached garage at the back of my property. It's 300' away and there's no phone there." or "It's in my motor home...".

I can't believe Dish is so cut and dry with these audits.
 
Get use to it dish is not as stupid as you think. Go read the horror stories on the phone connection link.
 
Account Stackers usually have have more that 3 receivers on there acount with say 2 not hooked up to phone lines and subscribe to alot of programing.

These are big red flag that they look at when auditing an account.

Account Stackers in general are not the people with AT120 only or lower.
 
hall said:
2) "That receiver is in the detached garage at the back of my property. It's 300' away and there's no phone there." or "It's in my motor home...".

I can't believe Dish is so cut and dry with these audits.

Won't work. The audit Nazis will deactivate that receiver and tell you that you have to have open a separate account for it. It doesn't matter if you have been told otherwise by an installer or CSR, they don't care.


NightRyder
 
rowemance said:
Yes it is exactly that simple and called account stacking and that is the reason for a phone line connection at all time. Now that they have the Illegal smartcard issues under control they are going after the account stacker right now as we speak so keep those phone lines connected or get audited.

The illegal smartcard issues are anything but under control!

And to the OP, account stacking, up front, looks easy. However the audit team will get ya, then you're SOL. It aint worth it to save a few bucks.
 
I haven't heard of any problems with the new cards.

I guess it won't matter any way when they make us switch all of our boxes to mpeg 4 and put embedded smartcards.
 
rowemance said:
Get use to it dish is not as stupid as you think.

That's open to interpretation. Because of the audit Nazis tactics I'll never recommend Dish again. My son just moved into a new home, he was going to get Dish, his household is cell phone only, after my experience he went with cable instead. Why would anyone recommend or subscribe to a service that thinks it's perfectly OK to bully and threaten their customers? If it weren't for my grandfathered DNS I'd have told them where they could stick their audit. :mad:


NightRyder
 
hall said:
I can think of a couple ways around that... 1) You can certainly call them on another phone line but whether or not they're home or not is a different story ! 2) "That receiver is in the detached garage at the back of my property. It's 300' away and there's no phone there." or "It's in my motor home...".

I can't believe Dish is so cut and dry with these audits.

1) If they hear you talking to someone else or it just takes too long, you fail, your receivers get banned.

2) They will literally tell you it has to under one roof or on a seperate account. Don't ever use this excuse, it's worn out.

3) If you really do have a RV, they require a waiver and you have to send a copy of the RV registration. This also works if you are an OTR truck driver.

Yes, it is that cut and dry and things are getting nasty.

There are tons of excuses and I think they're getting tired of hearing it.

"The dog ate my remote" will get you a big red screen!
 
Interesting thread - I don't have DN, have never had it, and have no desire to have it, but I'm amazed to hear that they would risk alienating customers in this way considering that with modern technology there are probably many quite valid reasons a customer couldn't comply with their demands.

Some examples I can think of offhand:

Call forwarding - many people have it and use it. What happens if you've gone out to play cards with friends and have forwarded your phone to their house?

Call forwarding to cell phone - A LOT of people do this. What happens if they call while you are on the road?

Multiple residents in home and the person who answers the phone is technologically or visually impaired - Just an an example, I live with an elderly person who has fairly advanced macular degeneration. If I were to subscribe to DN and they called when I was not at home, even prior to the macular degeneration she would not have had the slightest clue how to give them the information they wanted (she can barely figure out how to change channels using a standard TV remote). With the macular degeneration, it would be impossible for her to comply with their demands, and if they were abusive it would upset her VERY much. It seems to me that many households probably have residents that are visually, mentally, or technologically challenged in some way (wait until Dish gets slapped with a lawsuit under the Americans with Disabilities Act!).

Customer has injury or is partially disabled. Say the customer broke a leg a week ago and can't go up or down stairs, and one of the receivers is in the basement or on the second floor. What if the customer is in a wheelchair? Are they going to demand a note from the customer's doctor? Again I see an ADA lawsuit on the horizon, not to mention some really pissed off customers.

AND the fact is that as technology advances, there will be ways to beat the system. Many speakerphones mute the outgoing call volume automatically when it falls below a certain volume (I hate talking to people on speakerphones precisely because the "room noise" disappears when they aren't talking and the line sounds "dead" to me) but of course that is indistinguishable from someone pressing the "mute" button on the phone, so you could in fact have a side conversation.

But here's another consideration. I guess most everyone knows what VoIP is (a type of phone service delivered over your broadband connection) but what you may not know is that with many VoIP services you can get multiple incoming numbers (not necessarily in the same city you actually live in) that all ring the same phone. AND with that least some VoIP services (VoicePulse is one that comes to mind), you can use "call filters" to route calls according to the number they came in on (or the calling number), or give them a distinctive ring.

So suppose a customer got a VoicePulse account with two numbers, one of which he gives to Dish Network and the other which he gives to everyone else. He could then program the service so that calls coming in on the number given to DN would always ring a double ring (alerting everyone not to answer the call unless they check the Caller ID first) or even so that calls to that number always go to a busy signal, or to voicemail (there are two or three other options also).

And also, if the reps don't want to hear chatter in the background during their audits, how can they tell if someone is text messaging someone else? I mean, I wouldn't want to rely on that as a method to beat the system (very likely the other person wouldn't be home!) but you have to wonder if anyone has done that.

All I am saying is that it sounds to me like this will alienate some very legitimate customers, and in the end I'll bet they lose more money than they make. Of course, one could point out that if monthly service rates weren't so high, they might not have this problem - I know there's a lot of blame to go around for that, since everyone from the program producers to the networks to the local stations want to be paid and have their hands out, and the one that gets stuck is the customer. What I do not understand is why a service like Dish Network can't let people subscribe to just the channels they want - why should a subscriber have to pay for Fox News if they only want CNN or MSNBC? Why should a subscriber have to pay for ANY channel they never watch? If people were allowed to subscribe to only the channels they actually watch I'll bet a lot of people could cut their bills to something much more reasonable, AND Dish (or the cable companies or whomever) wouldn't need to pay those program providers for non-subscribers to their channels. I realize this opens up a whole can of worms but in my opinion that's how it should be (the big packages could still be an option for those who want them).

I am one of those people who can't afford the service and therefore I do without, but to be honest I see all the television I want using my big C & Ku-band dish and a Pansat FTA receiver (that is NOT hacked and never will be, at least not while I own it). In fact some nights I think I watch too much TV! :D I have been in homes that have cable or Dish or DirecTV and have flipped through the channels and with all the added channels I still don't see anything I would want to watch (or at least nothing I would want to pay to watch) but then maybe I'm more easily satisfied with what's available than some people.
 
aquaman67 said:
What you are talking about is called "stacking".



While this really doesn't have anything to do with actual location, it does change every 10 minutes. If you give the wrong location ID, that receiver will be shut off.

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:confused: It doesn't? Why do you think it's called location id?

Of course it does! It is one part of the algorithm. ;)
 
inwo said:
:confused: It doesn't? Why do you think it's called location id?

Of course it does! It is one part of the algorithm. ;)


And what part would that be? The GPS reciever inside your box? The location ID is computed based on the information inside your reciever, nothing more, nothing less.

As it has been said quite a few times in this thread, it is pretty easy to come up with ways to bypass their audit. Therefore, the only people I see this affecting are:

1. complete morons who stack
2. Legit users who happen to rub the audit man the wrong way and fail even though they are legit.

Apparently in Dish's opinion, catching #1 outweighs the negative customer relations of #2.

I've never had the pleasure of speaking to the audit team, but I only have a cell phone, so I bet at some point I will. I would hope future recievers will integrate a Ethernet controller to allow people to hook them up to a home network, and phone home through the Internet. Compared to the cost of the mpeg decoders, conditional access modules, etc, an onboard NIC is peanuts. In fact, I think some of the new broadcom decoder chips might have the option of integrating one.
 

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