Yea because they will be dropped from the lineup and you can't watch their shows because if you want you will have to go to nick website and watch the shows online if you have a fast and unlimited high speed internet connection.
Dish Network CEO Hints At Hard Line In Viacom Renewal Talks, Calls Extension A “Positive”
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"Dish Network CEO Hints At Hard Line In Viacom Renewal Talks"
That's news because usually Charlie is a pushover?
That's news because usually Charlie is a pushover?
The premiums should of gone down. They were over priced and the only way they could sell them was at half price or for free for 3 months.
Actually , Over all no.
Premiums are a select crowd.
If you raise basepacks, and DVR fees, "and I'm sure more increases in that area are still to come"
Then everyone is forced to pay more .
It's Just plain and simple a shuffling around of pricing.
What good is increasing Premium movie channel package?
People will just choose to not subscribe.
It's kind of hard not to subscribe to a Base Package, unless you terminate your service.
And you wait when that First $7-17 First receiver fee turns into an actual charge.
Because IMO that's what all the "Buttering up " is for on the H3 and the premium movie channels.
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It's kind of hard for premiums not to go down when they were being offered cheaper online
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And when you have the least amount in SD and HD Premiums compared to anyone else in my neighborhood.
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I think the point remains, you are still by far, Programmed with Dish Networks programmed CSR syndrome.
You used to be able to sell a Ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves.
Problem is , your not dealing with gullible customers here on satellite guys like you are on the Dish Network support site.
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On premium packs that you can choose to subscribe to or not. Basic programming packs , which everyone has to have now to subscribe to DISH,have continued to go up as they went up on price and or added other channels to the pack and renaming them something else. Even the Welcome pack and the Smart pack have had an increase a few years back .
For anyone interested in the history of price increases on DISH going back from 1995 till today , check it out.
www.jameslong.name/pricing.html
www.jameslong.name/pricing.html
In 1995, (for some reason I can remember, I don't know why) I got everything but porn and the SSN networks on TVRO from TurnerVision and NPS for $500 for ONE YEAR. Seems unbelievable now. I pay that in three or four months now.
Yes, we are a dish support forum, filled with power users, making statements that are barely half true. The same power users that tend to retain tremendous, sometimes asinine credits, talking about how price never goes down and only goes up, and nothing of significance added. Well proved that price can go down, and they even added HD to the Welcome pack while not changing the price. So more benefit. These are the facts. The arguments being made are done so in a way that just doesn't make sense and frankly sounds more like crying when prices change. We have more stuff now then we did in 1995. We didn't have 16 tuners, HD, Netflix, streaming, DA, and the list can go on. The complaints constantly roll in, but then get followed up with "I'm not going to leave because they are still cheaper". It's honestly the worst argument on here. Show me where the price increases are unreasonable in comparison to other providers that offer systems and features equivalent. This is the standard, so either crap or get off the pot.
Why are you bitching and moaning about our God-given right to bitch and moan? That's what we do here (in addition to giving excellent advice).
Why are you bitching and moaning about our God-given right to bitch and moan? That's what we do here (in addition to giving excellent advice).
There is a difference between beating a dead horse, and constructive criticism. As you can see by the other post I just made about fees, that is constructive critiscm. Enough that Tampa8 is likely going to get mildly irritated, but provided a solution to the company as a whole. Just saying "they have fees, fees are bad" is not constructive. It's whining. Saying they should just eliminate the fees without any reason other than you just don't like them... Is not effective either, and yes positive and negative is good but doing it right both ways is important. Your unrealistic and attached perception is exactly why you got timeouts'd for that short period of time. Mike, you're a smart guy when it comes to DBS, nobody questions that. Believe it or not we do not question that you like your Dish, otherwise you wouldn't have 3 accounts for 19 years. It's about how you complain about it that is the issue. Change that, and you'll no longer be the bluegrass of fees... Ultimately, that is my gripe. Hence the "crap or off the pot" statement.
I just hate apologist.
There is enough Yes Men in the Billionaires club that no matter what, you know right down to a tee, who is going to try and Justify anything questioned negatively.
If Dish added an Additional First receiver fee, I know exactly who would be in line defending it.
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As best I can I'll try to identify why I respond to the fees posts. Only speaking for myself.
The posts are essentially saying DISH could just drop the fee or are there just because. That is simply wrong. Fees are part of the business model. Drop a fee and another charge or increase will be added to take it's place. Even more important, I see the complaining about DISH fees when I am saving over $185 a year over having Direct tv mostly based on lower DISH fees. Fees are part of the overall costs, part of the business model one aspect affects the other. Package prices affects fees, fees affect package prices. So when DISH has a dispute (which by the way usually lasts a very short time or sometimes never actually happened but people remember it as it happening) we focus on package prices. DISH is competitive with Cable companies and Directv package prices, often less. The conclusion could be why isn't DISH much less than Directv if they always take a hard line in negotiations. You have to go back to the business model for that answer. No first receiver fee, a fee DIrectv has may be where DISH decided to use the savings of negotiating rather than package prices. RSN's? I am saving about $75 a year just in RSN fees that DISH does not charge that Directv does because they refuse to overpay. That is a choice, I could go to Directv and get the NY RSN's in addition to the both Boston RSN's that I am eligible to get and pay $75 more a year for that. (Plus the other higher fees) Or get Cable and get those RSN's, get crappy receivers that my Brother In Law has and pay way more.
DISH has a business model where the people more interested in paying less or just can't afford to pay more can do so without necessarily giving up technology or going to the lowest packages. It's where they tower over Directv and Cable. Get a Vip receiver like a 612 or get a 211 with an EHD and you have a good DVR for a fraction of what others charge especially including no first receiver fee. DISH is far and away less expensive particularly for three or fewer rooms, that I maintain covers most subscribers needs and most installs. Not only are there more VIP receivers in use than the Hopper, a couple of installers or DISH sellers have posted that they still install VIP receivers often. And DISH VIP receivers still to this day are good receivers, better than some Cable is still using.
Those are needs. When it gets to wants, DISH like most any company charges more for the most current technology. You want the Hopper it will cost more, and is more in line with Directv costs. The R&D is astronomical and higher costs is how companies recoup that money and if a good company reinvests it to making the company better.
That's why I respond to posts about fees because they make it sound simplistic when in fact the cost structure is complex and intertwined. I recently responded to the thread about the new fee line we are seeing regarding the first receiver fee. I 100% agree I don't like the possible implications, and I hope it is for showing DISH does not charge while others do. There are many things I post negatively about DISH, but I can't just go along with posts that are not the whole story or do not match my actual experience or experience with DISH.
The posts are essentially saying DISH could just drop the fee or are there just because. That is simply wrong. Fees are part of the business model. Drop a fee and another charge or increase will be added to take it's place. Even more important, I see the complaining about DISH fees when I am saving over $185 a year over having Direct tv mostly based on lower DISH fees. Fees are part of the overall costs, part of the business model one aspect affects the other. Package prices affects fees, fees affect package prices. So when DISH has a dispute (which by the way usually lasts a very short time or sometimes never actually happened but people remember it as it happening) we focus on package prices. DISH is competitive with Cable companies and Directv package prices, often less. The conclusion could be why isn't DISH much less than Directv if they always take a hard line in negotiations. You have to go back to the business model for that answer. No first receiver fee, a fee DIrectv has may be where DISH decided to use the savings of negotiating rather than package prices. RSN's? I am saving about $75 a year just in RSN fees that DISH does not charge that Directv does because they refuse to overpay. That is a choice, I could go to Directv and get the NY RSN's in addition to the both Boston RSN's that I am eligible to get and pay $75 more a year for that. (Plus the other higher fees) Or get Cable and get those RSN's, get crappy receivers that my Brother In Law has and pay way more.
DISH has a business model where the people more interested in paying less or just can't afford to pay more can do so without necessarily giving up technology or going to the lowest packages. It's where they tower over Directv and Cable. Get a Vip receiver like a 612 or get a 211 with an EHD and you have a good DVR for a fraction of what others charge especially including no first receiver fee. DISH is far and away less expensive particularly for three or fewer rooms, that I maintain covers most subscribers needs and most installs. Not only are there more VIP receivers in use than the Hopper, a couple of installers or DISH sellers have posted that they still install VIP receivers often. And DISH VIP receivers still to this day are good receivers, better than some Cable is still using.
Those are needs. When it gets to wants, DISH like most any company charges more for the most current technology. You want the Hopper it will cost more, and is more in line with Directv costs. The R&D is astronomical and higher costs is how companies recoup that money and if a good company reinvests it to making the company better.
That's why I respond to posts about fees because they make it sound simplistic when in fact the cost structure is complex and intertwined. I recently responded to the thread about the new fee line we are seeing regarding the first receiver fee. I 100% agree I don't like the possible implications, and I hope it is for showing DISH does not charge while others do. There are many things I post negatively about DISH, but I can't just go along with posts that are not the whole story or do not match my actual experience or experience with DISH.
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Ok , Let me try one last time where I am coming from. I am concerned about DISH and it's long term viability as a company. Try to Look at the big picture here. What did DISH do that helped them build their company back in the early part of the last decade? They provided a dvr that had NO dvr fees. Their company grew quickly and they added like 2 million subs in short order. They built their company on the premise of being the "low priced leader" that made cable look like a Pig with all their fees. That was an actual campaign that they had back then , the cable pig. Now Charlie in his own words , decided that he was "leaving money on the table" by not having fees on the" tapeless recorder" or the dvr as we know it today. So viola we suddenly had fees and the price hikes followed in short order. This has contributed to the loss of subs just as much as the ever increasing programming hikes.
So if you are trying to stop the loss of subs that have plagued your company for almost every quarter for the last 5 years , what do you do ? Do you try to offer something of value besides the greatest technology in dvr? No they decided to offer a great 16 tuner hopper and then hike the price for it again to $15.00. The fees that they have with the single hopper 3/ two joey system can run you as much as $29.00. When you consider that early part of last decade you had no dvr fee and your additional receivers were $4.99 each , that is a big increase. This discourages subs from staying with DISH when their commitment is up and it further dissuades new subs from ever coming on board when they consider the fees they now face to even have DISH.
Now I don't think that DISH uses fees to help keep their prices lower than the competition because there is only like $10.00 difference between DIRECTV and them. Directv has at least that much included in every programming pack in order to spread the cost of NFL Sunday ticket's billion dollar cost in. Kind of like Espn is in in every programming pack that pumps our programming packs up by $6.00 - $7.00 alone. In my opinion DISH decides what fees are going to be created and how much because it goes to their profits and total revenue or the bottom line. They could charge less or none at all if they wanted to. I realize they will not ever not have no fees ,but they keep jacking them up and the 2010 class of receiver fees were done just to hide the numerous fees that used to be on our bills : like tv 2 , additional receiver fees and the ever present dvr fees on each dvr on your account. That is where the $17.00 additional receiver fee for the Vip dvr came from. It is outrageous to charge that much on a second dvr. When subs see this they will flee. Now the newest hopper 3 is supposed to decrease the chance you will pay that dvr fee on a second hopper since you can't have one on your account. But they jacked it again to $15.00 if you could add one.
When I criticize DISH, I do it so they will read it on this board - and they DO- and see that it is the ever increasing fees added to the ever increasing programming packs that are killing them. It will eventually destroy them as a company. There has been no growth in this sat side of the company for years. A company that doesn't grow ,but shrink, is stagnant and dying. Like a cancer, they need to be told what they need to cut out to help them be healthy again. IN my opinion and not mine alone, it is the FEES and the forced bundling that is killing them. They can't do much about the forced bundling , but they can do something about the FEES that they create and charge because they can. They could once again advertise that they charge less for fees than the competition in order to help once again grow the company. At one time the 501 pvr had no fees and it forced Directv to lower their dvr fee from $9.50 a month to $5.00 in order to compete because DISH was adding all the subs. This kind of campaign would once again help them regain the true low priced leader status in the industry. Or they could continue down the same path doing the same thing they have done for years, hiking fees and programming hikes and hope that they can continue to make profits and revenue off of an ever Decreasing sub base.
Now I have made my case, as I do every time they hike their fees and I am through with discussing it for this year, unless they once again come out with another hike or new fee to help them pad their bottom line. IF they do , I will try once again to get through to them. You can continue to defend them if you want ,but they don't need a defense , they need to get smart and change something, because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing every day the same way and expecting a different outcome.
