DISH at CES

[Stargazer]

I believe 4k is four times the bandwidth unless they use the new compression scheme which is supposed to be twice as efficient. If they do that then you are still looking at twice the bandwidth of HD. They will do 4k on the most popular channels first. It will probably be a transition like HD was.

 

[zippyfrog]

Has there been any news or decisions on what Dish will be doing after all the old QPSK receivers are phased out by May 31? If Dish converted all the QPSK channels to 8PSK, that would give some more bandwidth. Maybe for a couple of 4k movies? Rounding out HD channels? (RSN's 24/7, the remaining premium channels, and the couple of missing main HD channels, such as Disney XD)

 

[navychop]

There's a couple of religious shopping channels.....

 

[Stargazer]

Improving picture quality on the HD channels that have now would be a good start.

 

[dwarren2]

As CES gets closer, I'm betting that Scott will start giving us hints of what we will see at CES.

 

[Voyager6]

Improving picture quality on the HD channels that have now would be a good start.

YES. For what we are paying, everything should be in HD or MPEG4, just like the EA. Increasing the bit rate to support full 1080P (or 720P at least) on all HD channels would be great.

 

[Yespage]

I only have a 720p hooked to the HDMI of my 722k, so they don't need to go higher than that.

Truer HD would be very nice. While "HD" is definitely a step up from SD, True HD would be a notable step up from "HD" that wouldn't require their customers to change a thing to appreciate the improvement. I'd rather have true HD than low grade HD just so that the hundred of so the 4K early adopters don't feel like they wasted their money... again.

But regarding the "Higher defintion of easy", that sounds like accessibility, not visual technology.

 

[harshness]

Doesn't 4K take twice the bandwidth of HD?

At a minimum and only if you use one of the proposed compression schemes (most likely h.265).

There's four times the pixels involved and the hope is that there will also be a larger color space (gamut).

The initial product from DIRECTV is reportedly using MPEG4 so the stream is pretty large.

There are reportedly UHD capable encoders that work in real time but they may not be up to multiplexing with non-UHD yet.

The rub is if the UHD image is crushed, a 1080p image may have been better and would be compatible with most of the existing equipment.

 

[harshness]

Truer HD would be very nice. While "HD" is definitely a step up from SD, True HD would be a notable step up from "HD" that wouldn't require their customers to change a thing to appreciate the improvement. I'd rather have true HD than low grade HD just so that the hundred of so the 4K early adopters don't feel like they wasted their money... again.

But regarding the "Higher defintion of easy", that sounds like accessibility, not visual technology.

Both of these statements make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

The rub is if the UHD image is crushed, a 1080p image may have been better and would be compatible with most of the existing equipment.

This is what Amazon is doing with their new 4K Prime Streaming... it makes DISH's HD look like its 4K. (Netflix's 4k looks SO much better!)

 

[sam_gordon]

I only have a 720p hooked to the HDMI of my 722k, so they don't need to go higher than that.

Truer HD would be very nice. While "HD" is definitely a step up from SD, True HD would be a notable step up from "HD" that wouldn't require their customers to change a thing to appreciate the improvement. I'd rather have true HD than low grade HD just so that the hundred of so the 4K early adopters don't feel like they wasted their money... again.

But regarding the "Higher defintion of easy", that sounds like accessibility, not visual technology.

What are you considering as 'True HD'? The HD-SDI signal that runs around broadcast plants (in between equipment) is 1.5Gb at minimum and could be 3Gb. How much bandwidth is required for it to be "True HD"?

 

[harshness]

HDMI 2.0 ups the speed from 10.2Gb/s (HDMI 1.3) to 18 Gb/s). 10.2GB/second was only good for 4K at 24fps and 3840x2160 at 30fps.

You seem to ignore that pristine UHD content may represent fully eight times the pixels (SDI-HD is 720p or 1080i) and includes multichannel audio.

Of course if the carriers choose the implement UHD at a lower frame rate, the whole bandwidth thing may be a red herring.

 

[mike123abc]

UHD may be pristine at 18 Gbit/sec, but how many Mbit/sec is that stream? Still close to 1000x compression...

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Mark Cuban told me the only way to see real HD is to see the actual uncompressed video coming off of the camera. After that it gets compressed and altered. He also said most people will never see pure real HD.

 

[Deadlocked]

Did Scott just discreetly mention that he's spoke to Mark Cuban?


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[ChadT41]

Did Scott just discreetly mention that he's spoke to Mark Cuban?


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I was thinking the same thing.

 

[bluegras]

could we see the rest of the hd channels coming our way because directv will start be adding lots of them real soon.

 

[ChadT41]

Likely not Allen. If it were to happen, this is how I would see it taking place. Firstly, the complete transition to 8PSK by May gets done. Then, any contracts set to expire, that does not have HD counterparts would be added in, given price is not greatly affected. Lastly, these plans could be adjusted based on what Charlie is releasing at CES to push it back further. To get what you want, would take quite a few years. The last step in it all, would be the one thing most people have been asking for. Removing off any and all SD counterpart channels, to relieve a big load of bandwidth for the remaining additions and eventually 4K. Eventually being the keyword.

 

[dvrexpander]

Did Scott just discreetly mention that he's spoke to Mark Cuban?


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Mind melt --- Scott IS Mark Cuban!!!

 

[navychop]

Scott is going on Shark Tank!