I haven't seen it posted before and didn't find it with a search but I was told that 811's were being discontinued and would not be getting new cards. My information came from Greg Wall in the executive office in response to an email to ceo@ questioning when I would be getting cars for my 2 811s. The surprising thing was Greg confirmed the 811 rebadged as a 381 would continue to be supported and would get new cards. Now isn't that just like DISH.