DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Juan]

Bills-Pats just under 10M on "TNF"

Bills-Patriots was the latest Thursday Night Football game to fall in the 10 million viewer range, the high end of what TNF has drawn of late.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

Bills-Patriots averaged a 4.9 rating and 9.97 million viewers on the latest edition of NFL Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime, the third-largest TNF audience since Week 4 — behind Titans-Packers the previous week (10.32M) and Ravens-Buccaneers in Week 8 (10.01M).

I assume it does not include local broadcast numbers

There aren't any

 

[robjlevin]

There aren't any

Incorrect. All NFL games are televised on free, OTA TV in the competing teams' markets.

 

[Juan]

Incorrect. All NFL games are televised on free, OTA TV in the competing teams' markets.

Have you seen any?

 

[Mr Tony]

Have you seen any?

Are you referring to the ratings of the game in the local markets? Or something else?

 

[SamCdbs]

Any NFL game not broadcast on an OTA network (ESPN, Amazon, NFL Network) is shown on an OTA station in the two cities involved (also in Milwaukee for Green Bay games). These numbers are, and always have been, included in the ratings as cited in all media reports.

Fun fact. We always say that ESPN belongs to Disney, but really Disney only owns 80% of it. Hearst Television owns the rest, but has no say in how it is run, it just gets a check for 20% of the profit every year. Except it has one clause in its contract. Anything ESPN has to show on OTA TV, which in modern times is only MNF, if Hearst has a station in that town they, get first refusal on showing the ESPN games. They own stations in the NFL cities of Tampa, New Orleans, Baltimore, Boston, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Milwaukee.

This practice has always seemed unfair. For example, a Bengals fan in Cincinnati would get the non-OTA games on a local OTA channel, but fans in places like Dayton, Columbus or Lexington would not.

 

[Mr Tony]

Anything ESPN has to show on OTA TV, which in modern times is only MNF, if Hearst has a station in that town they, get first refusal on showing the ESPN games.

Which this year they have refused. Also ABC O&O stations get first right of refusal which this year they have also done.

This practice has always seemed unfair. For example, a Bengals fan in Cincinnati would get the non-OTA games on a local OTA channel, but fans in places like Dayton, Columbus or Lexington would not.

I agree. Like in my location (Mankato, MN...just outside the Mpls DMA) we do not get the Vikings "cable/streaming" games OTA but cable folks can as (in previous years) WCCO Minneapolis carried them. This year satellite folks can see the games as KSTP ABC (Hubbard owned) has the cable games and with no ABC in Mankato satellite gives them KSTP. Cable does too

 

[robjlevin]

Have you seen any?

Yes, a few years back when the Giants or Jets were playing and now, living in South Jersey when the Eagles are playing.

 

[Juan]

Yes, a few years back when the Giants or Jets were playing and now, living in South Jersey when the Eagles are playing.

But not with exclusive streaming

 

[EarDemon]

But not with exclusive streaming

Just for clarification, are you saying NFL games that are exclusive to streaming, like Thursday Night on Amazon are not broadcast locally over in air in both teams respective home markets?

 

[Juan]

Just for clarification, are you saying NFL games that are exclusive to streaming, like Thursday Night on Amazon are not broadcast locally over in air in both teams respective home markets?

Im asking if they are...i believe they are only on amazon but just need someone in a local market to be sure

 

[EarDemon]

They are available in the local market of the two home teams, why wouldn't they be? Last week Thursdays Bills/Patriots game was simulcast locally here on ABC affiliate WKBW 7 .

Bills vs. Patriots | How to watch, stream and listen | Thursday Night Football Week 13

Edit - And in Boston on WFTX the Fox affiliate

Patriots-Bills game will be on ‘local’ TV, but not in Western Mass. Thursday; here’s why

If you live west of Worcester, you may not get Thursday's Patriots game on TV.

www.masslive.com

 

[Mr Tony]

Im asking if they are...i believe they are only on amazon but just need someone in a local market to be sure

same rules for streaming as ESPN games...MUST be shown in the teams Primary market

NFL completes long-term media distribution agreements through 2033 season

The National Football League announced today that it has signed long-term agreements with media partners Amazon, CBS, ESPN/ABC, FOX, and NBC for the distribution of NFL games, the industry’s most valuable content, over television and digital platforms, as

www.nfl.com

(Monday Night Football and Thursday Night Football are required by contract to be carried on over-the-air, broadcast stations in the cities of the participating teams.)

 

[robjlevin]

Im asking if they are...i believe they are only on amazon but just need someone in a local market to be sure

Yes. They absolutely are aired locally for the two teams' DMA.

 

[Juan]

Yes. They absolutely are aired locally for the two teams' DMA.

Just local city not DMA

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Just local city not DMA

How do you prevent an OTA channel from broadcasting outside the “local city” limits?

 

[Juan]

How do you prevent an OTA channel from broadcasting outside the “local city” limits?

Syndication exclusivity...been that way for decades

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Syndication exclusivity...been that way for decades

Yeah, nice try. I looked that up and multiple sites reference the market, not just the "local city".

 

[Juan]

Yeah, nice try. I looked that up and multiple sites reference the market, not just the "local city".

DMA for a NFL team is different than DMA for a tv station...amazon games can only be carried by ONE station in the LOCAL city of the station...if you can get that station on a antenna..you can watch the game but if that station is carried outside of antenna range on cable..the game has to be blacked out...its really that simple

 

[Mr Tony]

DMA for a NFL team is different than DMA for a tv station...amazon games can only be carried by ONE station in the LOCAL city of the station..

stop...just STOP!
There is no "DMA for a NFL team". There are Primary and Secondary markets
-Primary is the DMA of the team. So for Minnesota its the Minneapolis DMA, for Detroit its the Detroit DMA, for Kansas City it's the KC DMA, etc. They are the only market that can show a streaming game OTA. Doesn't matter where you are in the DMA. You get it. So if you live in the Minneapolis DMA if you live in Downtown Mpls or in downtown Bemidji (some 200+ miles awayin Beltrami County....top of the blue portion) you still get the game on cable and satellite on a local channel. So anyone in the blue area gets the Vikings game via a local station on cable and satellite regardless if you can pick it up OTA

-Secondary markets are markets where a portion of the DMA is within 75 miles of the stadium. So Mankato (where I am) is a secondary market. The only rule of a secondary market is they must show the local teams road games. They use to also be subject to blackouts if the home game wasnt a sellout but that rule has been "put on ice"

.if you can get that station on a antenna..you can watch the game but if that station is carried outside of antenna range on cable..the game has to be blacked out...its really that simple

And there is no blackout. For years when the Vikings had their cable games on WCCO CBS Minneapolis in Mankato we could see it on cable (even though we have our own CBS KEYC). Satellite they couldnt due to having KEYC as CBS. Same as the Rochester/Mason City/Austin market. WCCO is on cable but satellite is KIMT.
This Saturday's Viking game on NFL Net is being carried in Minneapolis on KSTP ABC. Since Mankato does not have a ABC in the DMA both satellite and cable subs will be able to see it on KSTP. OTA folks in Mankato (depending on location in the area) may get the translator for KSTP. Most of the northern part of the Minneapolis DMA does not have ABC over the air but cable and satellite carry it

 

[Mr Tony]

Syndication exclusivity...been that way for decades

nice try Skippy
that is for SYNDICATED shows. The NFL is not syndicated
So when Dr Phil is on at 3pm on both WCCO Minneapolis and KEYC Mankato cable might have to either black out WCCO or just overlay KEYC on WCCO's channel. Here in Mankato they don't (they use to do an overlay on the SD station but not the HD)