just let them hang it on the outside walls of the house like xmas lights.
I'm in a condo... no exterior walls other than the interior patio and my front door.
just let them hang it on the outside walls of the house like xmas lights.
I blew up because I already went over this with the sales guy. He told me not to worry, that he would work something out and that it would be 160 dollars to do the installation. I freaked and said that it was all suppose to be included as it was with Time Warner AND Dish Network. He referred me to DirecTV's 800 number.
...I asked them about the charges and the fact that I would only be paying 80 dollars to run a wall fish. The installer company said that the installation fees were negotiable between myself and the installer WTF?
I enlisted DirecTV, I DID NOT enlist a third party installer. I SHOULD NOT have to haggle prices for installation, especially for something that was suppose to be free. I could see if it was something freaky like running lines through my yard and installing a dish out in the middle of no where to get a line of sight. I could see if it was drilling through cement or running a multitude of cables all over yonkers. This was just a mear 10 feet of easily accessbilble attic space for the cords to be dropped from the patio wall to the wall of my living room.
Actually, DirecTV is purchasing a lot of the HSP's and bringing it in house, but I'm not sure that is the case here.D* doesn't do any of thier installs, at least most of the time , they hire subcontractors to do thier work.
That has been that way for many years.
A wall fish is always considered extra , not part of the FREE install.
See my earlier comments about HSP's setting their own prices. Unfortunately, CSR's have NO CLUE what is actually involved in getting a system installed, so they are more than willing to say "Yes, it's included in the free installation." Since they aren't held accountable for this, and it gets you off the phone while giving them a sale leaving the installer to deal with it at a later date I don't think it's ever going to change. This sucks for the customer and the installer. The customer because of experiences like yours, and the installers because of customers like you. (Quote " I blew up")Had they told me this and were up front with me after I told them what was needed I would not have agreed to the install.
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In the billing structure on their site it states 49 dollars for a wall fish. So why was I told 160??
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If not, I would expect that if he has to run those 2 wires it would only be 49 dollars acorrding to direcTVs site correct?
very good post! :up1. I never took any of this against the installer.
2. When companies like Time Warner and Dish Network do not charge for fishing, or running new wires with the install, or jacks, or fancy splitters it's only fair to expect this same service from their competitors.
3. When I go over everything in advance with the sales person I don't expect to be deceived. I actually feel bad that the installer showed up and I had to send him away. I be DirecTV won't be paying for his time either.
4. DirecTV needs to re-analyze their installation program. I am hiring DirecTV to do a job. If they are leaving me to haggle my pricing (and yes I mean haggle because when you have a document on your site stating prices and the CSRs tell you that you're suppose to negotiate your pricing with an installer... that's haggling) And when an installer comes in and tells you in one breath that he's not a sub contractor and can't do attic installs, and in a second breath says "we can work something out, I'll charge you 160 dollars to run the wiring" that's being paid out of pocket, and according to quotes I've heard... overly paid out of pocket. If I have to pay for the service I want a choice of professionals, I want to be able to shop around for the best price to get the job done right. I don't want someone coming in to my house, seeing what I have in my house, and basing a price off of work by what I have. I'm a professional and I have set rates for my services (and in most instances I don't charge for half the stuff I do because I Love what I do and I do what needs to be done and not just what's asked.)
My beef is not with the installers, my beef is with DirecTV, their shadiness and decptiveness. I have 4 emails from them telling me what to do to get ready for the install and not a single one of them goes over what is "Custom" work. To the average Joe, running a down the wall to the outlet seems pretty standard to me. I guess if they were more up front with what was really included with their install people wouldn't go with them. Maybe that's why they call their installs "Standard" and their competitors call their installs "Professional"
The bad part about this is from what I've been told, I'm not the only one going through all of this and that once I get the service this will all be a thing of the past. Not sure I like that concept.
1. I never took any of this against the installer.
2. When companies like Time Warner and Dish Network do not charge for fishing, or running new wires with the install, or jacks, or fancy splitters it's only fair to expect this same service from their competitors.
3. When I go over everything in advance with the sales person I don't expect to be deceived. I actually feel bad that the installer showed up and I had to send him away. I be DirecTV won't be paying for his time either.
4. DirecTV needs to re-analyze their installation program. I am hiring DirecTV to do a job. If they are leaving me to haggle my pricing (and yes I mean haggle because when you have a document on your site stating prices and the CSRs tell you that you're suppose to negotiate your pricing with an installer... that's haggling) And when an installer comes in and tells you in one breath that he's not a sub contractor and can't do attic installs, and in a second breath says "we can work something out, I'll charge you 160 dollars to run the wiring" that's being paid out of pocket, and according to quotes I've heard... overly paid out of pocket. If I have to pay for the service I want a choice of professionals, I want to be able to shop around for the best price to get the job done right. I don't want someone coming in to my house, seeing what I have in my house, and basing a price off of work by what I have. I'm a professional and I have set rates for my services (and in most instances I don't charge for half the stuff I do because I Love what I do and I do what needs to be done and not just what's asked.)
My beef is not with the installers, my beef is with DirecTV, their shadiness and decptiveness. I have 4 emails from them telling me what to do to get ready for the install and not a single one of them goes over what is "Custom" work. To the average Joe, running a down the wall to the outlet seems pretty standard to me. I guess if they were more up front with what was really included with their install people wouldn't go with them. Maybe that's why they call their installs "Standard" and their competitors call their installs "Professional"
The bad part about this is from what I've been told, I'm not the only one going through all of this and that once I get the service this will all be a thing of the past. Not sure I like that concept.
Then those subcontractors should NOT be allowed to wear D* logos, clothing or drive D* trucks. It is misrepresentation. Frankly I look at it as a contractural matter and D* is the prime contractor. As the owner on millions of dollars of projects every year I do not deal with or pay subcontractors. I DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM! Its the same thing here. If a subcontractor charges more than D*'s rates then D* needs to pony up the cash. Frankly I do all the work myslef. I havent had a competent D* installer in 7 years at my house. I usually end up spedning hundreds fixing their work anyway:Sorry about your trouble,
Why do you need to have all new wiring placed, whats wrong with using the wiring already in place ?
D* doesn't do any of thier installs, at least most of the time , they hire subcontractors to do thier work.
That has been that way for many years.
A wall fish is always considered extra , not part of the FREE install.
1. I never took any of this against the installer.
2. When companies like Time Warner and Dish Network do not charge for fishing, or running new wires with the install, or jacks, or fancy splitters it's only fair to expect this same service from their competitors.
3. When I go over everything in advance with the sales person I don't expect to be deceived. I actually feel bad that the installer showed up and I had to send him away. I be DirecTV won't be paying for his time either.
4. DirecTV needs to re-analyze their installation program. I am hiring DirecTV to do a job. If they are leaving me to haggle my pricing (and yes I mean haggle because when you have a document on your site stating prices and the CSRs tell you that you're suppose to negotiate your pricing with an installer... that's haggling) And when an installer comes in and tells you in one breath that he's not a sub contractor and can't do attic installs, and in a second breath says "we can work something out, I'll charge you 160 dollars to run the wiring" that's being paid out of pocket, and according to quotes I've heard... overly paid out of pocket. If I have to pay for the service I want a choice of professionals, I want to be able to shop around for the best price to get the job done right. I don't want someone coming in to my house, seeing what I have in my house, and basing a price off of work by what I have. I'm a professional and I have set rates for my services (and in most instances I don't charge for half the stuff I do because I Love what I do and I do what needs to be done and not just what's asked.)
My beef is not with the installers, my beef is with DirecTV, their shadiness and decptiveness. I have 4 emails from them telling me what to do to get ready for the install and not a single one of them goes over what is "Custom" work. To the average Joe, running a down the wall to the outlet seems pretty standard to me. I guess if they were more up front with what was really included with their install people wouldn't go with them. Maybe that's why they call their installs "Standard" and their competitors call their installs "Professional"
The bad part about this is from what I've been told, I'm not the only one going through all of this and that once I get the service this will all be a thing of the past. Not sure I like that concept.
I try to stay out of threads like this, but dude cut the crap. You knew it was a charge deep down inside, that why you went over this with them before hand. No providers does custom work for free unless some previous issue. I see your plan, and I know what it's outcome is going to be. Complain till you get it for free.
If that second thread reference was directed at me, I'm trying to figure out what IS included and what ISN'T so I know how much I am going to be charged. I've lurked this forum quite enough to know that the install is hardly ever free.Two threads going on the forum with 2 folks that think installers work for free, have all day to spend on each install, parts grow free on trees and want everything done their way (and for free).
No wonder that turnover among installers is so high (even with the Hatian dudes).
Bit of advise - you want it all free, they do it their way. This ain't Burger King. You want something special or your whole house rewired - then you pay for the extra work. End of story.
By the way, I do not work for either company or any HSP - but I've done a ton of installs (DTV, DN, WB, DW, FTA) and repairs for my neighbors and friends. Parts & a case of beer is my usual rate. Never had one fail or rain-fade unless the hardware took a dump (thank the dudes in China for those).
Get a grip - suck it up - you are "entitled" to a standard install only - pay for it if you want it your way or stay with cable.
Why do you want Directv when the other providers will do it for free? Why not just use one of them and save yourself the hassle.
Enjoy E*:upDone... Dish Network is coming out this week to do the install.
I felt like an idiot when I asked the install company "is fishing the wall jack included" they told me "how else do you think we get cable to your TV"
Done... Dish Network is coming out this week to do the install.
I felt like an idiot when I asked the install company "is fishing the wall jack included" they told me "how else do you think we get cable to your TV"
Enjoy E*:up
I know for a fact your install will go much better with them. However, the way the company was being ran in regards to everything excluding installation scared me away.
Now you read minds? Hahahaha.
and here I thought I was going to be able to slip them a 20 to fix the phone jack wiring.... LOL
hopefully I really don't need a phone jack for the HD DVR
maybe with all this BS I can get them to send me a wireless adapter on them
If that second thread reference was directed at me, I'm trying to figure out what IS included and what ISN'T so I know how much I am going to be charged. I've lurked this forum quite enough to know that the install is hardly ever free.