D* HD Transponder List - 99.2 and 102.3

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if the first few info suppliers would post the latest date of their signals...since this all changed 10 days after the thread was started, it would help. The new update will have date on the readings to try and prevent bad info as much as can be helped.
 
6/3/06 Update (Nashville,TN area)

Current readings for the 99 (Network 11) bird:TP3-85 TP5-65 TP7-88 TP13-63 Current readings for the 103 (Network 14) bird: 24 total TPs with no signal strength on any of them.These readings are from H20 receivers.The tech that done our installation said that we could add 20 points to these numbers when we check for signal strengths,does anyone know if this is true?Example:TP7 on the 99 (Network 11) bird is showing a signal strength of 88.Would that signal strength actually be 108?
 
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Some H20 receivers show lower signal strength..

steve615 said:
These readings are from H20 receivers.The tech that done our installation said that we could add 20 points to these numbers when we check for signal strengths,does anyone know if this is true?
steve615 said:
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Yes, the installer is 100% correct. I have 4 HD receivers and the 2 H20's show signal strength about 20 points lower. I have verified this with DirecTV technical staff but they cannot tell me the reason.
 
SF Bay Area said:
Yes, the installer is 100% correct. I have 4 HD receivers and the 2 H20's show signal strength about 20 points lower. I have verified this with DirecTV technical staff but they cannot tell me the reason.
Thanks for the reply SF Bay Area. :) It seemed to me that the picture that shows on the TVs look better than what the signal strengths actually show. :up :)
 
SF Bay Area said:
steve615 said:
These readings are from H20 receivers.The tech that done our installation said that we could add 20 points to these numbers when we check for signal strengths,does anyone know if this is true?
steve615 said:
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Yes, the installer is 100% correct. I have 4 HD receivers and the 2 H20's show signal strength about 20 points lower. I have verified this with DirecTV technical staff but they cannot tell me the reason.

In all due respect, I can tell you the 20% is with 100% certainty an urban myth, running rampant on the forums.

This myth about the H20s was one of the reasons I started the 99/103 thread on signal strengths as I saw many people giving creedence to what might be true on some transponders, but not across the Directv fleet.

I can only assume that some people must see 1 channel with around a 20 point difference and and assume its across the Boards with all Satellites and Transponders. In fact, on some of the 119 transponders, the H20 is as good if not equal in strength.

I have conducted multiple test across the country with H20s versus old STB and have never found a 20% drop across the board - or anything close.

Just to prove it again, last week I went through SAT A/ SAT B/ SAT C again and between an older RCA DTC-100 and a H20 through a AT9. The results were predictably what I have come to expect:

It can be -20 lower - but it can also be HIGHER on 119 - depending on the Transponder.

In fact, I have NEVER seen a 20 point difference.

I repeated this AGAIN just last week to make sure nothing had changed. An AT9 with a Zinwell switch, 2 H20s and 2 older RCA DTC-100 were used this time. I have also conducted this test with a fleet of older Directv IRDs.

Transponder - DCT100-H20

101-SAT A
1 - 91 - 86
2 - 90 - 82
3 - 89 - 81
4 - NA - NA
5 - 89 - 77
6 - 94 - 77
7 - 89 - 77
8 - 93 - 81

14 - 99 - 81
15 - 90 - 76
16 - 97 - 82
17 - 93 - 81

27 - 86 - 77
28 - 99 - 100
29 - 92 - 81
30 - 97 - 80
31 - 95 - 77
32 - 98 - 82

110-SAT C
28/8 - 80 - 74
30/10 - 82 - 80
32/12 - 93 - 77

119-SAT B
22 - 83 - 85
23 - 72 - 60
24 - 83 - 92
25 - 86 - 68
26 - 80 - 94
27 - 95 - 88
29 - 86 - 88
30 - 84 - 93
31 - N/A
32 - 94 - 94

So for a CSR or a Directv Installer to make a statement that the signal on a H20 is 20 points lower, well, I've never seen it - and close examination of SAT B T29 and T30 are an eye opener.

In fact, I believe the Installers have just repeated it to justify crappy dish pointing - another reason I was looking to get signal strengths on 99 and 103 from around the Country - as it could help others in the same area identify a problem install.

Would I say as a general rule that the H20 shows a lower signal in most cases? Yes.

Would I say it is consistently 20 points lower than the other STBs?
No way.
 
HDTVFanAtic said:
In all due respect, I can tell you the 20% is with 100% certainty an urban myth, running rampant on the forums. Would I say it is consistently 20 points lower than the other STBs?
No way.

With all due respect to HDTVFanAtic who I believe knows what he is talking about, I can say with 100% confidence that we are both correct depending on the particular H20-600 series unit/lot that we are using. I have also done a comparison of all transponders on the 101, 110 and 119 sats and here are the results: My H10 (mpeg2) also shows similar readings as my older Sony HD-200 (at least 20 points higher than the H20). I have 2 H20's that both show similar signal strengths (about 20 points lower). The first reading is from the H10 and the second is from the H20:

Sat 101
1 84-65
2 86-64
3 78-59
4 94-74 - This is a spotbeam transponder for my area only.
5 80-56
6 91-67
7 81-58
8 91-68
14 91-69
15 79-57
16 91-69
17 83-62
31 87-58
32 92-70

Sat 110
28 89-68
30 90-68
32 90-66

Sat 119
22 91-64
23 92-69
24 84-64
25 0-0 Perhaps this is spotbeam also?
26 91-67
27 92-70
29 86-60
30 86-60

All 4 of my receivers use the same AT9 - 5 LNB antenna. I have swapped the cables around among the 4 connectors on the LNB to the different TV's and each receiver still shows the same original signal strengths. Since installing the first H20 last November, I have never lost the picture despite some heavy rain storms last winter so I believe that the antenna is installed and aligned properly. We don't need a Zinwell switch as our locals are spotbeam on the 101 sat and you can also see that our signal strength is well into the 90's. I installed the AT9 myself following the video instructions and using a signal seeker. So, my conclusion is that we are both correct depending on the particular batch/lot of H20's that one is using. I also live on the west coast, so my readings are slightly lower than yours except for tp 4 on the 101 Sat that spot beams my locals.

HDTVFanAtic, I appreciate the interchange of technology opinion and look forward to future exchanges of ideas, but please trust me on this one that we are both correct and this is not an urban myth. Thanks and take care.
 
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The strength numbers between my HD Tivo and H20 is about 10-20% difference on Sats A (101), B (119), and C(110). The 20 points may be a swag but its pretty clear that the numbers showing on the 2 units are very different. Both receivers have locked signals but the HD Tivo definately shows higher strength. With the AT9 I am also experiencing the best strengths since I've had D*. Might be the dish or the installer but I am very happy with the signal strength and solid picture (even during rain).
 
Latest KA signals in B'HAM AL.

Most recent readings for the Ka Sats from my H-20 thru zinwell wb68 multiswitch here in Birmingham, Al. Can the table at the beginning of the thread be updated?

99° Network 11
Tr1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
N/A N/A 100 0 0 0 85 0

9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 0

17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
N/A N/A 0 0 0 0 0 0

25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 0

103° Network 14
Tr 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
N/A N/A 0 0 0 86 52 0

9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 60 0

17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
N/A N/A 0 0 0 0 0 0

25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 0

Doctor j
 
doctor J said:
Most recent readings for the Ka Sats from my H-20 thru zinwell wb68 multiswitch here in Birmingham, Al. Can the table at the beginning of the thread be updated?

99° Network 11
Tr1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
N/A N/A 100 0 0 0 85 0

9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 0

17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
N/A N/A 0 0 0 0 0 0

25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 0

103° Network 14
Tr 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
N/A N/A 0 0 0 86 52 0

9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 60 0

17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
N/A N/A 0 0 0 0 0 0

25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
0 0 N/A N/A 0 0 0 0

Doctor j

I swear I will do it, lol.

I have just been trying to revamp all the dishes on my roof and nothing has been working right.....as can be seen in other threads......and it taken all my time....and them doing the shuffle really kicked me motivation out of me....but now that people are actually really posting numbers - and i do not have to private message the world begging for numbers as i did for the first 3 weeks, i will get it done.
 
I live in Erie, PA. Can I receive the Cleveland or the Pittsburg HD LIL with a MPEG 4 receiver and the AT9 antenna? Is there a DMA map for the MPEG 4 channels yet?
 
Here's most of the info updated. CAPS actual market. Lower case - reportable stregnths, No volunteer posters from needed markets.
The bottom line, 3 weeks of pm's to get all that will volunteer.
Nobody else will help, more holes, than markets filled.
We had the same problem finishing 119 spots & 72.5 local tp's.
I told the author, about the pm idea HDTVFanAtic used, but still unfinished business. This project will take longer to complete versus 119 & 72.5,
due to being exclusive HD only.
Nice work for those putting forth effort, who would like to see their
eforts lead to completion. Its best to set up as
3 Stickies, to wait out the spread of HD volunteers.
I also think adding the RSN's tp's will help bring attention, for more reports.

Code:
99.2W net11
03 ATLANTA
04 BOSTON
05 - 62 stregnth nashville
06 PITTSBURGH
07 ATLANTA
08 KANSAS CITY
09 HARTFORD
10 - 66 stregth houston
13 - 62/47 stregnth nashville/chicagp
14 - 74 stregnth pittsburgh
15 - 82 stregnth columbus
16 
19 - 40 stregnth detroit
20 - 69 stregnth chicago 
21
22 - 71 stregnth kansas city
23 - 22 stregnth los angeles
24
25
26 SAN FRANCISCO
29
30
31 
32 - 35 stregnth los angeles

102.3W Net14
03 PITTSBURGH
04 DETROIT
05 CHICAGO
06 ATLANTA
07 -93/86 stregnth pittsburg/birmingham
08 DETROIT
09 CHICAGO
10
13
14 NEW YORK
15 PITTSBURGH
16 PHOENIX 
19
20
21 TAMPA
22 LOS ANGELES
23 HOUSTON
24 SAN FRANCISCO
25
26
29 TAMPA
30 SAN DIEGO
31 DALLAS
32 SAN FRANCISCO


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LAUNCHED CITIES

Atlanta
Baltimore
Boston
Birmingham, Ala.
Charlotte
Chicago
Cleveland
Columbus, Ohio
Dallas-Fort Worth
Denver
Detroit
Fresno
Hartford
Houston
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Los Angeles
Miami
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Nashville
New York
Orlando
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
Sacramento
Salt Lake City
San Diego
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Tampa
Washington, D.C. 
West Palm Beach
---------------------------

PROJECTED LAUNCHES

Austin, Texas 
Albuquerque, N.M. 
Cincinnati 
Grand Rapids, Mich.
Green Bay, Wis. 
Greensboro, N.C. 
Las Vegas 
Madison, Wis.
Memphis, Tenn. 
Portland, Maine
Portland, Ore.
Providence, R.I.
Reno, Nev.
San Antonio

RSN's
F Northwest Seattle
F Northwest Portland
Comcast Sacramento
F Bay Area
F Prime Ticket 
F West 
F Arizona
F utah```
F Rocky Mtn
F Altitude

Fox Midwest
F North
F Wisconsin
Comcast chicago
F Indiana
F Detroit
Spors Time Ohio
F Ohio
F Cininnati

F Southwest
F Houston
F South 
Turner South
F Florida Miami
F Florida Tampa
Sun Orlando
Sun Florida2 Miami

F Pittsburgh
Comcast Mid Atlantic
MSG
F New York 
YES
Sports Net New York
NESN
F New England
 
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The New Upgrade Borks The Ka Satellite Meter Signals.....

I Would Not Advise This - Something Is F..........

If you believe what the new firmware is telling you, the 99W satellite has been completely shut down and the 103W now has only 6 transponders working.





I would suggest you not force this upgrade until late when we have info on what this is actually about - as it might cause you very bad problems.....
 
h-20 signal strengths

I'll be happy to report the Birmingham levels.
I looked yesterday and there have been changes again.
I believe Sat 99 transponder 3 is the source of B'ham HD locals.
I also get adequate strength for Atlanta and Nashville spots.

Doctor j
 
chelsea said:
Here's most of the info updated. CAPS actual market. Lower case - reportable stregnths, No volunteer posters from needed markets.
The bottom line, 3 weeks of pm's to get all that will volunteer.
Nobody else will help, more holes, than markets filled.
We had the same problem finishing 119 spots & 72.5 local tp's.
I told the author, about the pm idea HDTVFanAtic used, but still unfinished business. This project will take longer to complete versus 119 & 72.5,
due to being exclusive HD only.
Nice work for those putting forth effort, who would like to see their
eforts lead to completion. Its best to set up as
3 Stickies, to wait out the spread of HD volunteers.
I also think adding the RSN's tp's will help bring attention, for more reports.

Code:
99.2W net11
03 ATLANTA
04 BOSTON
05 - 62 stregnth nashville
06 PITTSBURGH
07 ATLANTA
08 KANSAS CITY
09 HARTFORD
10 - 66 stregth houston
13 - 62/47 stregnth nashville/chicagp
14 - 74 stregnth pittsburgh
15 - 82 stregnth columbus
16 
19 - 40 stregnth detroit
20 - 69 stregnth chicago 
21
22 - 71 stregnth kansas city
23 - 22 stregnth los angeles
24
25
26 SAN FRANCISCO
29
30
31 
32 - 35 stregnth los angeles

102.3W Net14
03 PITTSBURGH
04 DETROIT
05 CHICAGO
06 ATLANTA
07 -93/86 stregnth pittsburg/birmingham
08 DETROIT
09 CHICAGO
10
13
14 NEW YORK
15 PITTSBURGH
16 PHOENIX 
19
20
21 TAMPA
22 LOS ANGELES
23 HOUSTON
24 SAN FRANCISCO
25
26
29 TAMPA
30 SAN DIEGO
31 DALLAS
32 SAN FRANCISCO


----------------------
LAUNCHED CITIES

Atlanta
Baltimore
Boston
Birmingham, Ala.
Charlotte
Chicago
Cleveland
Columbus, Ohio
Dallas-Fort Worth
Denver
Detroit
Fresno
Hartford
Houston
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Los Angeles
Miami
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Nashville
New York
Orlando
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
Raleigh-Durham
Sacramento
Salt Lake City
San Diego
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Tampa
Washington, D.C. 
West Palm Beach
---------------------------

PROJECTED LAUNCHES

Austin, Texas 
Albuquerque, N.M. 
Cincinnati 
Grand Rapids, Mich.
Green Bay, Wis. 
Greensboro, N.C. 
Las Vegas 
Madison, Wis.
Memphis, Tenn. 
Portland, Maine
Portland, Ore.
Providence, R.I.
Reno, Nev.
San Antonio

RSN's
F Northwest Seattle
F Northwest Portland
Comcast Sacramento
F Bay Area
F Prime Ticket 
F West 
F Arizona
F utah```
F Rocky Mtn
F Altitude

Fox Midwest
F North
F Wisconsin
Comcast chicago
F Indiana
F Detroit
Spors Time Ohio
F Ohio
F Cininnati

F Southwest
F Houston
F South 
Turner South
F Florida Miami
F Florida Tampa
Sun Orlando
Sun Florida2 Miami

F Pittsburgh
Comcast Mid Atlantic
MSG
F New York 
YES
Sports Net New York
NESN
F New England


The new firmware upgrade has removed 99.2 from showing any signal at all, but I am still getting hd locals for Hartford. Does that mean they are on 102.3 and not 99.2 like your chart shows? Anyway, I am getting 92 on t3, 54 on t4, and 65 on t5.
 
raoul5788 said:
The new firmware upgrade has removed 99.2 from showing any signal at all, but I am still getting hd locals for Hartford. Does that mean they are on 102.3 and not 99.2 like your chart shows? Anyway, I am getting 92 on t3, 54 on t4, and 65 on t5.

We can say with 100% certainty anything listed on this thread previous to this is now wrong.


This is without the dumbest move I think I have seen D* make to date for many, many, many reasons. It really is just unbelievable.
 
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HDTVFanAtic said:
We can say with 100% certainty anything listed on this thread previous to this is now wrong.


This is without the dumbest move I think I have seen D* make to date for many, many, many reasons. It really is just unbelievable.

Hey - I know nothing about the reasons/consequences of all this. Care to explain why you feel this way? My system and all channels seem to be working just fine - isn't that what matters after all. Need some help here from you as to what I am missing.

Thanks.
 
ScoBuck said:
Hey - I know nothing about the reasons/consequences of all this. My system and all channels seem to be working just fine - isn't that what matters after all.

Thanks.
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I just got my AT9 installed. I'm looking for the current transponders for 99 satellite I should be receiving in Sacramento, CA. I'm showing 96 percent on 26.
 
Can anyone furnish a link to the transponder plan that is being used on these Ka band satellites. or otherwise describe it? Initially, DirecTV had announced that there would be 48 transponders on each Ku satellite, which seemed to indicate that the channel plan would be an extension of that used on most C-band satellites, with 40Mhz transponder bands and 20 Mhz opposite polarity offsets, but the transponder test table in the HD20s only goes up to transponder 32, and according to Lyngsat, the center frequencies of the only six that are presently reported to be operational at 102.3 deg are 19,741, 19,804 and 19,866Mhz, leading me to the conclusion that there are 32 transponders with a width of about 62.5 Mhz each (probably more like 58.5 Mhz usable, bracketed by guard bands). Note that there is no half-transponder width offset between transponders of opposite polarity.

firemed509 said:
I just got my AT9 installed. I'm looking for the current transponders for 99 satellite I should be receiving in Sacramento, CA. I'm showing 96 percent on 26.

At present, Lyngsat reports no specific transponders to be operational on the 99 deg satellite. What is firmed509's basis for believing that he should be receiving signal from the 99 slot, rather than from the 102.3 slot?
 
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