Court Orders Dish to Drop ALL Distant Networks

[dude2]

Why then can cable companies offer distant channels and even channels in other areas from two different states. Our cable can offer both mn twin cities and sioux falls sd stations but dish can only offer either mn or sd stations depending on where you live. In other words you can;t have both states and if you live in the wrong area of mn you can;t even get the mn channels.
Isn;t this some sort of discrimination.

 

[Stargazer]

Significantly viewed should help Dish/Direct be able to offer the locals in the neighboring market to the viewers just as cable does.

I can see different things that could happen as a result of this ...

Many people switching to DirecTv to get the distant networks,

Dish Network having to provide all 210 DMA's in order to provide everybody with network channels,

Many people getting FTA receivers to receive these channels,

No national HD station to be offered to those that cannot receive or be made available their local network in HD. This one sucks because you will have to wait for your local HD station to come out.

If Dish Network is going to audit people that uses these in campers/RV's and shut them off anyways then this is exactly what should happen to them. Why should Dish be allowed to offer distant networks if they are going to pull that
kind of crap?

 

[Chris Walker]

Yawn.. Whatever, Dish and the NAB will work something out. If you're legally entitled to the channels(have waivers or due to location), they can't touch you. If they shut me off I'll sue the NAB, I have a legal right to the channels.

 

[Lucky]

Are the Superstations affected by this ruling ?

 

[mikew]

Are the Superstations affected by this ruling ?

no

 

[Chris Walker]

My guess is if Dish does anything they'll go after people with questionable "campers" and "movers"? The NAB needs to accept that some people simply don't want local channels, those of us that have the distants had to go to the trouble to make the choice the first of the year stating we clearly don't want locals and want to keep distants.

 

[Juan]

My guess is if Dish does anything they'll go after people with questionable "campers" and "movers"? The NAB needs to accept that some people simply don't want local channels, those of us that have the distants had to go to the trouble to make the choice the first of the year stating we clearly don't want locals and want to keep distants.

The 11th court of appeals says toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaadd

 

[Chris Walker]

The 11th court of appeals says toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaadd

The Court of Appeals can't overturn the SHVIA, they can make E* shut off ineligible subs though

 

[Jamey K]

I thought the ruling was your time zone and any west of you. Whoever wrote this must hate the folks on the west coast. For me it says I can get Chicago, Dallas, Denver, LA. Since I already get the Lubbock locals, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Are your locals HD? If they aren't, you should be able to go outside of your locals and get a service that is being provided. The New York Times compairsson is accurate.

Can you get any Amarillo or Plainview radio stations in Lubbock? By the same token, if they are the same format, as any of the Lubbock stations, you should be blocked from receiving them.

This rule is just stupid at the very least. If you can't get HD signals from your locals because they are too cheap to install it, you should have the option of getting DNS. Or if you prefer the 10PM Newscast on KNBC to your local, again, you should have the option.

I'd live to see this entire thing ruled unconstitutional.

 

[Lucky]

The Court of Appeals can't overturn the SHVIA, they can make E* shut off ineligible subs though

But what is the definition of an "ineligible sub". If you have waivers from your local station aren't you consider legally eligible ?

 

[Jamey K]

The Court of Appeals can't overturn the SHVIA, they can make E* shut off ineligible subs though

Never has a law cried out to be overturned, as much as SHVIA.

 

[Chris Walker]

But what is the definition of an "ineligible sub". If you have waivers from your local station aren't you consider legally eligible ?

I'd assume so, like I said before I think the people Dish is going to go after (if they do anything) are the ones that have different billing and service addresses.

 

[uhlesses]

I just don't understand whats going on here. How can we shut down hundreds of factories and send all our jobs over to China, and call it free trade, but have laws that protect the local tv stations. I guess in time everything will be from overseas except our local channels that will say made in the USA at your nearest affiliate.

 

[BobMurdoch]

The Court of Appeals can't overturn the SHVIA, they can make E* shut off ineligible subs though

Actually, according to the judge, they can..... If they turn off ALL distant networks as a punitive measure than they HAVE de facto, overturned the law that specifically called for them to be made available to those who qualify.

 

[Chris Walker]

I just don't understand whats going on here. How can we shut down hundreds of factories and send all our jobs over to China, and call it free trade, but have laws that protect the local tv stations. I guess in time everything will be from overseas except our local channels that will say made in the USA at your nearest affiliate.

What the NAB is doing is making people find ways to beat the system. If Dish shuts off "ineligible" subs, these people will find another way to get them if they want them badly enough. There's a way to get anything if you truly want it. Truthfully I am suprised we are having this conversation in 2006, I thought I was done hearing about the NAB crying about distants in 1998. Shouldn't they be worrying about HD and getting their affiliates switched over so people wouldn't want distants?

 

[Chris Walker]

Actually, according to the judge, they can..... If they turn off ALL distant networks as a punitive measure than they HAVE de facto, overturned the law that specifically called for them to be made available to those who qualify.

Yea the title of this thread scared me at first, then I read the "could" and "we are working with the NAB to satisfy their needs without harming consumers" talk. I highly highly doubt they shut off eligible subs.

 

[BobMurdoch]

I just don't understand whats going on here. How can we shut down hundreds of factories and send all our jobs over to China, and call it free trade, but have laws that protect the local tv stations. I guess in time everything will be from overseas except our local channels that will say made in the USA at your nearest affiliate.

Because the NAB has essentially bribed, er, lobbied Congress to believe that the sky is purple, and Congress passed a law basically stating that the sky really is purple and not blue like we all see it....

I like the Freedom of the Press argument. I want to acquire my news info from the LA TV affiliate, even though I am in NJ. Have they established law that restricts my freedom to exercise this right?

 

[NightRyder]

I just don't understand whats going on here. How can we shut down hundreds of factories and send all our jobs over to China, and call it free trade, but have laws that protect the local tv stations. I guess in time everything will be from overseas except our local channels that will say made in the USA at your nearest affiliate.

Because the people working at those factories can't provide fat cat politicians with thousands of hours of air time or millions of dollars in contributions. The NAB says jump and congress assumes the position with big smiles on their faces!


NightRyder

 

[mikew]

Read the ruling here...

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200313671.pdf

The rulings have nothing to do with "movers" or the RV exemption or waivers. It all boils down to Dish's methods of determining who was eligible based on the service address given. During a two year period (2000-2002) they used two different systems. If one said yes and the other said no, Dish used the company that qualified the sub.

All in all, interesting reading. There is also a passage in there talking about the Court's disdain for Dish's legal team.

Based on this read, I really wonder what's truly happening behind the scenes with the Tivo deal...

 

[Stargazer]

Eventually everybody will receiver their locals from satellite (might not happen until everyone gets HD locals though).