Coolsat vs Diamond & a hard drive question

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avg1joe

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I'm considering buying either a Diamond 9000 or Coolsat 8100. For those of you who have used both or are well informed can you tell me what makes one stand out above the other.

I believe both of these boxes use a usb interface for factory firmware updates and pvr. I was curious if there is a HD box out there for fta that has an internal hard drive (to eliminate clutter and extra power plugs).
 
There are some, but usually Very Pricy.
The Diamond probably has plenty of room to mount a USB Hub and Drive inside, as long as you keep it cool.
However, I would not recommend a Diamond for recording. It can not record High Bit Rate stuff, like ABCs HD C Band feed. OTA and "normal" HD feeds are fine.
 
...and let me tell you!! Do not buy a Coolsat 8100 HD (I own one) unless if you can handle the constant headaches of this reboot issue that it has.

Sorting channels on this thing sucks royally. (It's built for hackers)

Plus, no blind scan.

When you scan in a new channel, it resets the sorting. This thing is extremely quirky but when you figure it out you will understand it better.

I haven't dared to even try recording on the Coolsat. Not worth the problems.
 
when it comes to recording, most of you're stb receivers that use a usb, will have problems on high bit rates. an from what I here the Pan-9200 does a fine job with its sata hook up to a HDD. now if you want a receiver with HDD built in it, stop think about the Vantage 8000s, you can get it with it installed or you can put you'res in it.
 
stop think about the Vantage 8000s
But with the latest Firmware, the Vantage can't play the High Bit Rate stuff.
I know the earlier Firmware could play them, but it was updated for a bunch of other reasons, one of them, I believe, was recording / timer issues.
It's always something.
 
After upgrading to the latest firmware on my 8100HD, I've had zero major problems recording. Instead of having one more External Drive and chords, I bought a 16GB Flash Drive. It records at least 90 minutes in HD if not more -- and plenty in Standard. I record Dollhouse every Friday night and Heroes on Monday and it's never rebooted or not worked.

My only caveat is that it had to be FAT32, so at the 2GB mark it rolls over to another file. If done correctly, it'll roll over as well when viewing and you may not even notice (about 45 minutes in on a HD program). Even if not, just load up the 2nd program.
 
odd the 8100 has issues yet the 8000 which is pretty much the same thing minus the Hard drive capability works fine
 
...and let me tell you!! Do not buy a Coolsat 8100 HD (I own one) unless if you can handle the constant headaches of this reboot issue that it has.

Mine doesn't reboot. I think you either have weak signal or an overheating issue. Make sure the fan is spinning and try to gauge how hot the air is coming out of it.

Sorting channels on this thing sucks royally. (It's built for hackers)
Maybe BEV hackers, but it never had Turbo 8PSK support so couldn't really have been built for Dish hackers. I agree the sorting stinks, but that is about the only misfeature I've found.

I haven't dared to even try recording on the Coolsat. Not worth the problems.
I recorded 4+ hours of a high bit rate SD feed and it was flawless. I've recorded PBS HD as well without problems.

What software are you running on it?

Unless you really want HD feed support, an HD unit is not terribly practical. The Vantage sounds great, but the price is an issue and the software features need to stabilize.
 
what am I missing?

Maybe BEV hackers, but it never had Turbo 8PSK support so couldn't really have been built for Dish hackers.
Wait. Really?
With BEV shut down by N3, and no Dish HD support, who's their market?
Are they floating along on their Dish SD support?
These things should be flushed for $150 with so little market!
 
I have had no problems recording PBS-HD using my Visionsat IV-200 and a class 4 SDHC card paired with a USB reader/writer. Slower memory can't keep up with the ~17 megabit stream. I imagine much higher bitrates would require a hard drive.
 
I agree with most of what I read above. I have both a CS 8100 and a Diamond 9000. The Coolsat records fine at all rates, however that is only with the recent firmware. With the original firmware, the PVR function didn't work. Re the reboot problem, I have had 2 Coolsats, my first (used EBAY unit) worked fine, never did the reboot thing. It died a painless death during a thunderstorm. It's replacement, a "NEW" unit, had the rebooting problem right out of the box.
The Coolsat does not have a functional channel editor, and neither does it's firmware allow you to even restore channel data to it's original condition. It is getting better, but it's not perfect. Once set up though, the Coolsat is VERY user friendly, and was the first sat receiver I've ever had that my wife actually had no problems using, with only 2 minutes of instruction. The Coolsat also has a problem in that sometimes if you delete a channel (possibly only if you delete all channels on a sat), it will reboot, reboot, reboot, then reset to factory conditions, forcing you to completely reprogram all your sats back in. This is only with the newest firmware, however the newest firmware in necessary to correct other bugs.
The Diamond is sort of the mirror image of the Coolsat, although I'm not sure to what extent the firmware is an issue for me. Do NOT buy a used Diamond, as it will likely have pirate firmware on it which cannot be replaced. The problems with the pirate firmware is that it suffers from occasional video freezes that last a fraction of a second. These video freezes are mainly on fast bitrate video, but I've seen them on slow SD video as well. The faster the video, the more frequent the freezes. As mentioned above, the PVR function works perfectly on OTA ATSC channels, and usually on low bitrate satellite stations. I cannot record the very high bitrate network HD with it at all. I can record medium bitrate HD perfectly, but it won't play back without the above mentioned video freezes. I CAN play the recorded files back on other devices though.
One problem with the diamond is that you cannot scan in a DVB-S2 transponder using the remote, as there is no way to select that mode. The Diamond does have a GREAT channel editor though, and you can enter the DVB-S2 parameters in the editor very easily. The Diamond isn't quite as user friendly as the Coolsat. One quirk with the Diamond is that I can't seem to find a way to display channel data, like PIDs using the remote, but again, it's easy to display these using the channel editor.
Bottom line is that when working, and when set up, the Coolsat outperforms the Diamond on the high bitrate channels, but it is so unstable that I seldom use mine. I use other (PC card) receivers for high bitrate stuff, and I use the Diamond for OTA and low bitrate stuff. Too bad, because if either of these receivers worked as they were supposed to, they would be great receivers. I keep hoping for firmware fixes for the Coolsat. The come out occasionally, but while they fix some things, other things seem to get broken. THe Diamond basically doesn't have firmware updates apparently. I think the one on their web page is from 2007. I've emailed them, asking if they could come out with a new one which might correct the issues caused by the bad pirate firmware, but they never responded.
 
I think in the Edit / Delete Channels, it will list the PIDS, just can't edit them.

Thanks. I never thought about going into "delete" in order to find a PID .
And BTW, I WAS able to edit them. I just tried it on one channel, changed the audio, audio went away, then changed it back, and it came back, so it works.
Thanks. This will come in handy. I watch a lot of AMC21 PBS stuff, and occasionally the PIDs change just for one show. Rather than rescanning the transponders, I generally just switch to another receiver, but this would be a convenient way to temporarily change the PIDs, then change them back when done.
 
Wait. Really?
With BEV shut down by N3, and no Dish HD support, who's their market?
Are they floating along on their Dish SD support?
These things should be flushed for $150 with so little market!

Right. I went into the the local Pirate^H^H^H^H^H^HCell shop asking after the Coolsat 8100HD about 6 months or more ago. The guy basically said, "Why would you want that, it will only work for Bell!" and I explained I didn't want it to pirate Dish, or Bell and he couldn't grasp it. But he did say they didn't have any and didn't carry them anymore since they "didn't work for Dish" anymore.

While the "factory" software lists Turbo 8PSK the hardware doesn't support it and there is no plugin for an addon board etc so it could never have worked. It could be a similar model based on the same reference hardware does support Turbo, but the 8100HD doesn't.

There is some Dish HD in QPSK, at least one ITC that I know about, so perhaps that is enough to sell old inventory.

I keep waiting for them to drop to nothing in price and I might setup a couple family members that don't really need blindscan or anything too complicated. :)

I can't wait for the full Dish cutoff in late May. It will be interesting to see what the market for used receivers looks like!
 
Thank you for all of the advice. I would be using it primarily to record local hdtv broadcasts and the occasional sdtv satellite. Being able to watch some of the hd channels on ku band would just be a bonus.
 
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