Connecting things-dishes/receivers

[mjac]

Now that I have got the 1.8 six panel prime focus c band dish I was given (thanks Comptech) up and running, I have some switch questions. I presume, hah, I can hook things together as follows:

Receiver---> motor---> Ecoda 4x1 Diseqc switch with ku linear lnb, the motorized dish on #1, circular lnb (another small stationary dish, on nasa) on #2, and a stationary c band lnb on #3.

Are there any tricks I should know about regarding what settings that should be used in the receiver, a Coolsat 5000?

Another question, I would like to make provisions to hook up a second receiver to record or watch, possibly in another room. How do I do that? Or, alternatively, should I just loop out from the first receiver?

Thanks,

Mike

 

[Lak7]

Is the 1.8M Dish motorized?

 

[mjac]

Is the 1.8M Dish motorized?

No sir. I had once inquired about motorizing it but after further concideration, my limited LOS would only allow one additional satellite. In fact, I had to, with his permission , cut some of the neigbors tree. So untill the dish goes up to my place in TN, the 1.8 will remain stationary.

 

[Lak7]

Receiver---> motor---> Ecoda 4x1 Diseqc switch with ku linear lnb, the motorized dish on #1, circular lnb (another small stationary dish, on nasa) on #2, and a stationary c band lnb on #3.

That will work fine. Just remember you must enter the proper DiSEqC Switch Port info into each Sat.

Adding a Second receiver to record will be the trick.
Is your intention to watch 1 Channel while recording another?

 

[Anole]

If you want to record different satellites than the one your primary receiver selects, then all dishes should have dual-output LNBs.
If you are happy to record something from the same satellite that your primary receiver is watching, then the loop-out will work.
Loop is so restrictive, I hate to suggest, but that may be all you can do.

See also the Switches Simplified thread in our FAQ for other ideas.

 

[mjac]

That will work fine. Just remember you must enter the proper DiSEqC Switch Port info into each Sat.

Thanks

Adding a Second receiver to record will be the trick.

I was afraid that might be a problem

Is your intention to watch 1 Channel while recording another?

Well, that would the the optimum but me thinks I am a bit under outputed lnb wise.

 

[mjac]

If you want to record different satellites than the one your primary receiver selects, then all dishes should have dual-output LNBs.

I dont have a dual output lnb in the house, so I guess Iam out of luck there.

If you are happy to record something from the same satellite that your primary receiver is watching, then the loop-out will work.
Loop is so restrictive, I hate to suggest, but that may be all you can do.

Yep, thats the way I'll have to go for the time being.

Thanks to you and all others who responded.

 

[Anole]

Technically, that answer was a little too brief.
With the loop-through, you only get the same bird and the same polarity (vertical or horizontal) as the master receiver.

But, dual output LNBs are not a big trick.
Sadoun and SatelliteAV both have nice ones. (for Ku)
And for C-band only, there is a C2 two output voltage controlled LNBF that is about to be in stock by one of our major sponsors this coming week.

If you want to talk about what your dream system would be, we can help you plan for it. - :up

 

[mjac]

Technically, that answer was a little too brief.
With the loop-through, you only get the same bird and the same polarity (vertical or horizontal) as the master receiver.

Yeah, I thought so. I'll bet that could get troublesome.

But, dual output LNBs are not a big trick.
Sadoun and SatelliteAV both have nice ones. (for Ku)

Interesting. I took a peek at their offerings and didn't see a dual output LNB replacement for the stock one on the 84e. Did I miss one?

And for C-band only, there is a C2 two output voltage controlled LNBF that is about to be in stock by one of our major sponsors this coming week.

I'll keep a eye open for the in stock announcement. Is there any preview info?

If you want to talk about what your dream system would be, we can help you plan for it. - :up

Thanks for all your help. FYI, my goal is to develop a workable (and multiple) system for when I get to my place in TN. There FTA and OTA will be the only TV options I chose to have. Meanwhile, as I am stuck in Florida and SWMBO has her cable, I get to perfect, er screw around, with this stuff. Its fun in spite of the obstacles, ie; HOA and poor LOS.

 

[Anole]

some answers:

Interesting. I took a peek at their offerings and didn't see a dual output LNB replacement for the stock one on the 84e. Did I miss one?

Oh, you -are- picky.
The short answer is: no, not at any reasonable price you'd want to spend.
The high-priced long answer is: Invacom QPF-031
Another long answer of reasonable price is: a bolt-on bandstacked LNB, such as these Eagle Aspen P-870 units.
...but, that entails a whole discussion of what bandstacked is, and how to use it.

I was thinking of the KUL2 at Sadoun, or the SL2 at SatelliteAV.
Either will fit any regular dish, and probably work okay on an 84e Primestar.
Some members like to keep the original Primestar feedhorn, and that's what my earlier answer considered.


The dual-output C-band LNBF called "C2" was sold by SatelliteAV in the past.
It was well received by the members here, but due to low sales, it was discontinued.
A couple of hundred have been special ordered, and when they come in, either SatelliteAV or one of his dealers will be offering them.

I'll keep a eye open for the in stock announcement. Is there any preview info?

You may find some previous discussion on the forum.
Basically, they looked like any typical single-output, voltage-controlled C-band LNBF.
Only thing is, they had two independent outputs.

 

[mjac]

Oh, you -are- picky.

Picky, no. Inquisitive, yes

Another long answer of reasonable price is: a bolt-on bandstacked LNB, such as these Eagle Aspen P-870 units.

Ok, the reasonable price has my attention but there appears to be only one output. Or is that one output somehow split to accommodate two receivers. Perhaps as you have said, thats a whole other discussion?

...but, that entails a whole discussion of what bandstacked is, and how to use it.

Please point the way if you will. I like to read but I get lost in the searching sometimes.

Some members like to keep the original Primestar feedhorn, and that's what my earlier answer considered.

Gotcha.
I like it too

Only thing is, they had two independent outputs.

Sold. Thanks

 

[Anole]

which end of the pool?

The more traditional solution, which everyone understands and can get to work, is to use a dual-output LNBF as listed above...
... and if the following is getting in too deep, please consider that the choice is yours. -

Just remember, this is Advanced Satellite Surgery... and you did ask:
The "SuperDish", a particular discontinued model from Dish Network, has a usable FSS bandstacked LNB.
You take it off and bolt it to your Primestar feedhorn.

Bandstacked Dish Network LNB frequency considerations:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/117442-surplus-super-dish.html
- which LNB to use on SuperDish:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/159383-amc-21-superdish.html


edit: btw, if you like bandstacked idea, Sadoun sells the B1 stacked C-band LNBF.

KB2KIR: Receiver settings for B1Sat Stack Lnbf
http://www.satelliteguys.us/c-band-...10746-receiver-settings-b1sat-stack-lnbf.html
OnceWasLost: how to orient the B1Sat
http://www.satelliteguys.us/c-band-satellite-discussion/142224-b1sat-stacked-c-band-lnbf.html

 

[mjac]

I have been to the deep end end of many pools

The more traditional solution, which everyone understands and can get to work, is to use a dual-output LNBF as listed above...
... and if the following is getting in too deep, please consider that the choice is yours. -

Just remember, this is Advanced Satellite Surgery... and you did ask:
The "SuperDish", a particular discontinued model from Dish Network, has a usable FSS bandstacked LNB.
You take it off and bolt it to your Primestar feedhorn.

Bandstacked Dish Network LNB frequency considerations:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/117442-surplus-super-dish.html
- which LNB to use on SuperDish:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/159383-amc-21-superdish.html


edit: btw, if you like bandstacked idea, Sadoun sells the B1 stacked C-band LNBF.

KB2KIR: Receiver settings for B1Sat Stack Lnbf
http://www.satelliteguys.us/c-band-...10746-receiver-settings-b1sat-stack-lnbf.html
OnceWasLost: how to orient the B1Sat
http://www.satelliteguys.us/c-band-satellite-discussion/142224-b1sat-stacked-c-band-lnbf.html

So, on my CS5000 I set the Ku LNB LO to 13850 for blind scanning V side only. The C band stays set to 5150.

Then I set up the hardware as follows:

Receiver #1-----------> motor---------------> 4x4 switch

Additional receiver(up to 3 more)-----------> all on same side of above 4x4 switch

Then connect the below to the other side of the 4x4 switch.

1) Bandstacked Ku LNB

2) Circular (NASA) LNB

3) C band Bandstacked LNB

Mike,
who thinks he might be in the market for a bandstacked lnb or two

 

[Anole]

Well, first off, a 4x4 multiswitch actually has inputs for two LNBs , not four.
(See the Switches Simplified FAQ for the basics)
For each of the two LNBs, it needs both Vertical and Horizontal polarity.
Normally, you'd get that from a dual-output LNB by signaling it with 13 or 18 volts, respectively.

What you suggested might work on paper.
It depends a lot on the receivers.
And on how complicated you want their setup to be.
I wouldn't go that way.
Normally, I wouldn't mix bandstacked and non-bandstacked technologies.

A less controversial approach in an all bandstacked setup, would be to use some sort of splitters, feeding diseqc switches.
I'm not one much for splitters, so for a very limited system, there is a powered switch that comes to mind.
Unfortunately, we're going even further into the land of the weird, now.

There is a Dish Network DP-34 switch.
I'll just give you this thread for your reading pleasure.
We're way out on the fringe world, now.
It's not too late to turn back to the traditional path. -

Over the years of study on the subject, I've come up with quite a number of solutions for the switch & LNB question.
For most people, picking the right -one- is probably wise.
And for most, the traditional (non-bandstacked) gives more options for hardware (lnbs, switches, etc).

See the Switch FAQ for how to hook up eight LNBs to 4 (or more) receivers.
We don't document bandstacked technoloyg at all because it's not simple nor widespread, and not for beginners.

But, since you asked . . .

 

[mjac]

Well, first off, a 4x4 multiswitch actually has inputs for two LNBs , not four.
(See the Switches Simplified FAQ for the basics)
For each of the two LNBs, it needs both Vertical and Horizontal polarity.
Normally, you'd get that from a dual-output LNB by signaling it with 13 or 18 volts, respectively.

Yeah, well the idea came from a picture buried in one of the links you provided earlier. Someone had set up 16 of those Aspen bandstacked lnbs to three receivers. I just removed 13 lnbs and 1 receiver to come up with what I laid out. I didn't save the picture.

What you suggested might work on paper.

Maybe.

It depends a lot on the receivers.

The receiver(s) were not specified.

And on how complicated you want their setup to be.
I wouldn't go that way.
Normally, I wouldn't mix bandstacked and non-bandstacked technologies.

I didn't think it would be that easy when I typed it.

A less controversial approach in an all bandstacked setup, would be to use some sort of splitters, feeding diseqc switches.
I'm not one much for splitters, so for a very limited system, there is a powered switch that comes to mind.
Unfortunately, we're going even further into the land of the weird, now.

Thats for sure.

There is a Dish Network DP-34 switch.
I'll just give you this thread for your reading pleasure.
We're way out on the fringe world, now.
It's not too late to turn back to the traditional path. -

Not to worry, I left a trail of bread crumbs

Over the years of study on the subject, I've come up with quite a number of solutions for the switch & LNB question.
For most people, picking the right -one- is probably wise.
And for most, the traditional (non-bandstacked) gives more options for hardware (lnbs, switches, etc).

See the Switch FAQ for how to hook up eight LNBs to 4 (or more) receivers.
We don't document bandstacked technoloyg at all because it's not simple nor widespread, and not for beginners.

But, since you asked . . .

Yep, I did.
Btw, while trudging through the various links, the several sub threads found there and doing searches on the numerous unfamiliar terms I found, I did stumble upon information concerning the loop out method of adding a receiver.
I thank you for dangling the carrot. I bid you adios, for now. Another hobby beckons.
hxxp://www.capefear1000.com/

 

[Tron]

I'm going toward all bandstacked since I like the idea of both polarities always instantly available from the same cable. My CM dish on 123w is stacked, and works great. I just wish Invacom made a stacked version of the QPH-031

 

[AcWxRadar]

I'm going toward all bandstacked since I like the idea of both polarities always instantly available from the same cable. My CM dish on 123w is stacked, and works great. I just wish Invacom made a stacked version of the QPH-031

Tron,

The Invacom QPH-031 does provide this. Linear Vertical and Horizontal on the same cable, or Right and Left Circular on the same cable. All four if you insert a switch.

Or do you mean high and low band Ku Linear?

Either I am a little confused regarding what you are stating or you are not stating it correctly. Are you referring to a different model LNBF?

AcWxRADAR

 

[Tron]

What I meant was that I wish Invacom made a bandstacked version of the QPH-031 instead of the voltage-switched model we are all familiar with. There would be one output for circular and one for linear, both sending down both polarities at the same time (stacked LNBs take the horizontal TPs and "stack" them at a higher frequency above the verticals; therefore all TPs, H and V, are available at the same time from the same single cable without switching).