Charlie downplays DirecTV's 100 HD channels

Can anyone say how good the new channels are until we see them and what content they offer in HD? Anyway Charlie knows all about worthless HD channels cause E* has A&E. :D
No they cant and odds are most networks havent gone out and bought new HD cameras or converted all of their movies etc to HD and many will simply be upconverted from SD. If people think that networks that show old TV shows shot on inferior fim stock are suddenly going to be seeing those shows in real HD they are mistaken. IF people think that every studio show has suddenly been outfitted with HDcameras I think they will be dissapointed. I bet 30% end up being an upconverted stretch job like TNTHD is at times.
 
f people think that networks that show old TV shows shot on inferior fim stock are suddenly going to be seeing those shows in real HD they are mistaken.
Inferior fiLm stock? You want to clarify that? BTW, I made most of my living in "film". Also have to laugh when HD recordings are actually degraded to make them look like film. Also, ever watched Hogans Heroes on HD net? Looks pretty good for inferior film stock. Expect to see more.
 
Scott, my friend. most of what you say I agree with. But your column today just wreeks of a fish smell. Sorry but you are not being factual at all.
You are being pandering to the likes of DirecTV. I have no idea why but as I said it is a fish smell here.

Now for the facts, You claim that Dish had to get a kick in the seat of the pants by D* as they boast of future HD content with no time frame nor no specifics on content to make up that 100, 150 or 50 National programs. The DirecTV advertising is all they have at this time and it is a shallow ad campaign full of Enron style hype. All they had to do to add substance to their ad is to define when and what will be added.

On the otherhand, you claim that Ergan got a kick in the seat of the pants by DirecTV and now Ergan is following the leader which you now claim is DirecTV.

Earth to satellite guy in the sky... Pleas go back and do this count. GBo back 3 years ago when D* began this shallow boast. Look at D*, Look at E*. Then look at each today. Set up a histogram of when these channels were added. Unless you are blind or doing some sort of pandering game, you will see that E* has indeed added national channels on a regular and steady basis. While I would have preferred Ergan added the StarzHD much sooner as well as MAX, NGHD and TNT, UHD etc. the fact is they did add these in a steady regular time frame. You and I are watching them now, not sometime in the future. So who is kicking Ergan in the pants?

Let's do the flip side on this and see what you and others would say- Let's say Ergan began his own shallow future prediction ad that says E* will have 152 National HD channels. Never say what they are, nor offer a finite date when they will be on. Would you then saay E* is kicking D*'s butt and now is the leader?

Scott- You once did an interview and reported the results here. Do you recall? You said Paraphrasing- the D* rep couldn't even list 50 channels that he referenced, and then when he did, you listed several errors in that list with repeats etc.
I'm sure you recall that interview. But what has changed? Certainly it wasn't that D* has now made that list of 50 or 100 Nationals public. Certainly that D* hasn't made the turn on date public. I only saw one change. It was you acquiring DirecTV equipment so you could offer a fair assessment. AFAIK- the only assessment you should have been able to see is that they still have not made any channel additions that resembles their ad campaign. With your Blog and posts here, I'd have to be concerned that you are pandering to DirecTV.

I have DirecTV HD equipment here too, but I refuse to upgrade it until I see truth in advertising. I have been a loyal DirecTV customer since their start in the mid 90's. There has been major changes in the company's integrity since GM sold them off. Back then they would have never put up a three+ year ad campaign that asked for subscribers based on what will happen some unknown time in the future. Today that is their pattern.

A few people here have complained about VOOM. Fact is there were a healthy number of VOOM subscribers who really like the specialty channels they had. May not be your cup of tea but many of us really liked the idea of a channel with art shows and history of art. A HD scifi channel, some liked the martial arts movie channel, others favored old time movies- classics in HD, some liked the 24/7 rock concerts. But when VOOM went down, it was Ergan and E* that picked up the slack and kept that programming variety alive. In a way, VOOM is no different than tthe HBO networks, Showtime, Starz, the NFL games on D* except for one thing. They all are in HD and DD5.1.

Speaking of NFL-- ( Rant)While it is true that D* maintains this superior attitude that they OWN the NFL exclusive rebroadcast rights. The reality is that it is extremely expensive, IMO. I have yet to find anyone who could prove to me the value of that package in HD. First of all I like NFL. But more important to me is I like following my home town team. Guess what- I get that and other Florida teams I like on Dish Network HD too. They just come through my Dish Network DVR and with 4 games every Sunday, that's about all I can stand to watch at a time. When I did subscrib to the NFLST a few years ago, I only got to watch 1 game all season due to blackout rules. When I cancelled I told DirecTV to call me when it isn't so expensive and when the games I paid to watch aren't blacked out. DirecTV said they don't have anything to do with blackoits. I accept that but then I want a f**kin refund! Their refusal to offer my refund for the blackouts cost them a $120 a month subscription.

Scott- I realize you made your bed now with this blog on DirecTV, and the only ones who will agree with you are DirecTV people. Those of us in the middle and just want to see HD, are stunned at your lack of objectivity. we feel your blog reads as if it were written by a DirecTV ad writer, not you.
I agree with most of this ,but I do think D* claims of HD did light a fire under everyones pants. Also I don't recall blackout being a problem with the NFL pack . Only your local games are blacked out. but they are still on your local networks anyway,so who cares. Directv as far as HD goes still has shown NOTHING!! I'm still waiting Too. When it happens I'll turn D*'s HD switch back on. Untill then ,I'm not giving them anymore money then I have too.
 
A lot of those 100 are channels I dont consider real "channels" either.

The Voom debate gets so tiring, but since people (not you, Vurbano) keep bashing Voom, I'll have to keep defending it. Nine of the Voom channels are more real to me than what most of stupid America thinks are real channels. I watch other channels, too, but the repetition of programming on Voom argument is ridiculous. Yes, there are tons of repeats, but there has been a boat load of new stuff in the past months, too. Art of the Heist, and What the Window Washer Saw are just two examples of new, excellent shows.

To think that any of the other HD non-simulcast channels are not repetitive is to be living in the dark. Pick up your remote and look at the guide for those non-Voom non-simulcast channels...repeats, repeats, repeats...

Voom is the reason I would never leave E*.
 
This sounds a lot like my column at MultiChannel.COM today.

The way I see it, DirecTV gave the INDUSTRY a swift kick in the pants. And now the entire industry is rushing to add HD.

No matter if your a cable fan, DirecTV fan or Dish Network fan, this is more HDTV for everyone. :)
Actually I think it is the other way around. If E* had not gained MARKET SHARE(mostly HD customers) on d* the last couple of years would d* be adding all these new HD channels at all?
 
Actually I think it is the other way around. If E* had not gained MARKET SHARE(mostly HD customers) on d* the last couple of years would d* be adding all these new HD channels at all?

D* announced their plans to make HD their priority a few years ago when they laid out their HD plans for SW1/2 and D10/11, that was before anyone was adding new HD channels.

What's Charlies nick name, "Cheap Charlie", right? If it wasn't for D* saying they're going to add a bunch of HD do you think Charlie would be giving away 622's so he can convert current channels to MPEG4 to get some bandwidth back so he has some room to try to add some more HD to keep close to D*'s HD plans, I don't think so.
 
Just a thought...

When did the D* hype REALLY amp up? the hype about the 150 HD channels, then the back-peddle to capacity for 150 HD channels? last 8 to 12 months? something like that?

Yes, that announcement sure seems to have caused a fire to be lit under the butts of the cable companies and E*.

However...

The two sats that E* will be using for the upcoming two sat HD system...when did E* come up with that? Oh, I guess AFTER D* announced 150 HD channels...yep I'm sure E* only created the concept for a two sat mpeg4 HD/LIL system AFTER D* announced 150 HD channels.

And hmmm, Time Warner Austin has been deploying and testing Switched Video in my city for three years. Yes, three years. Obviously with the intent to increase capacity. I guess they, too only began preparing for significant HD capacity AFTER D* announced 150 HD channels.

Thanks D*, my two other provider choices would have accomplished absolutely nothing if it weren't for you.
 
The Voom debate gets so tiring, but since people (not you, Vurbano) keep bashing Voom, I'll have to keep defending it. Nine of the Voom channels are more real to me than what most of stupid America thinks are real channels. I watch other channels, too, but the repetition of programming on Voom argument is ridiculous. Yes, there are tons of repeats, but there has been a boat load of new stuff in the past months, too. Art of the Heist, and What the Window Washer Saw are just two examples of new, excellent shows.

To think that any of the other HD non-simulcast channels are not repetitive is to be living in the dark. Pick up your remote and look at the guide for those non-Voom non-simulcast channels...repeats, repeats, repeats...

Voom is the reason I would never leave E*.

I second that, I watch VooM channels more then A&E or TNT or ESPN2...
Art of the Heist , Eye over ### are much better then many programming Discovery and NTG.

What people fail to grasp is that VooM are new channel(relatively new 3 years are not a lot time) and they will face many of the problems new startup channel will have like repeates but as more and more customers will get those (like cablevision and other providers) they will improve their contents overtime. So, don't bash VooM without seeing them.

As far as Soctt's comment goes, I would say VooM was the true HD leader period, and they were the once who forced Echostar to get in HD and DirectTv followed them after seeing that Dish got Rainbow.
 
Don, your post smells worse than the fish.

Not once in your rant did you mention the fact that the HD "capacity" that D* is ready to initiate might have something to do with those multi-gillion dollar sats, one of which was just launched. Pie in the sky, no, real live sats ready to do their thing.

Your giving credit, lol, to D* for being the leader in NFL and sports in general had only to do with your experience with the NFL ST. Ridiculous! Okay, it isn't for you, but it was never intended to be for you. It is for those of us who follow their favorite team that isn't local. It is for others that don't think what they get locally is enough.

Enjoy the channels you mentioned, but understand their are many that have believed that D* has been the leader in HD, "NFL ST, MLB EI" just for the sports content alone.
 
Scott- I realize you made your bed now with this blog on DirecTV, and the only ones who will agree with you are DirecTV people. Those of us in the middle and just want to see HD, are stunned at your lack of objectivity. we feel your blog reads as if it were written by a DirecTV ad writer, not you.
Don, if you read here often you will see that I have actually stated what I stated in my MultiChannel News artice quite a few times (and I also posted the same to AVS a number of times as well)

Yesterday I was talking with a friend from Dish Network about the article and surprisingly he agrees with what I said. He acknowledged that because of DirecTV's annuncements it has "greatly accelerated" their HD plans.

The other day I posted a video link here which featured a number of Cable operators admitted that they have had to step up their HD rollout because of DirecTV's announced plans. (I can't find the link at the moment)

If it wasn't or DiecTV "taking the lead" and bringing Hig Definition to the forefront chances are the HD Landscape on Dish Network and even the cable companies probably would not have changed much from what we have today.

By taking the reigns and making HD it's main stradigy DirecTV has accelerated the HD rollout, which is good for ALL OF US HD FANS no matter who you have as your provider.

One thing I did not talk about but will be in a future MultiChannel News article is the HD Lite game. DirecTV now has all eyes on them, and from where I sit if they need to do it correctly. DirecTV is staking its reputation on High Definition. HD Lite will NOT be acceptable. So while all eyes are on DiecTV it is time for them to put up or shut up once and for all.

We are all watching, and hopefully we all benefit from it. :)
 
I think it is incredible how soon we forget. It was a year ago this Month that I bought my first HDTV, at that time, my local Cable provider only had three "USABLE" HD channels (ESPN, Discover HD Theater, and TNT-HD) They also had Local PBS in HD, but that channel was offered free to use for them.
I dropped Cableone at that time for the HD COntent that E* had. I didn't even consider D* because I didn't want to buy all of the equipment (Since I had just spend $3,000.00 on a TV)
NOW.....Look at all of the HD content on E* and I know of several other people inside the City limits that now have a Dish on their roof. Competition is GOOD look what it has done for us E* customers in just one years time!
 
I understand Scott's point-of-view. I do not agree with him, but I can certainly understand how he logically formed an objective opinion. I believe our difference has more to do with answering a subjective question, "Is the end (100+ channels of HD) justified by the means (2 1/2 to 3 years of HD-Little/HD-Lite)? I say No, others say Yes! :confused:

As a long-tim anti-HD_Lite advocate, I have often been attacked for taking a stand against the practice of HD-Lite which was started by D*, and later copied to perfection (if you can truly perfect an imperfect and inferior product) by E* the past 18+ (aka DishHD). Of course, my backlash from the collective D*/E* fanboys was pale in comparison to the lambastings folks like Gary Murrell, Sean Moto, Goalie Bob, and a handful of others used to take both here and at the AVSForum. I wonder just how many Thank-You's these "Stop HD-Lite" warriors are going to receive when D* and E* provide full-bitrate, full-resolution HD...and even the most casual HD observers notice the difference?:confused:

Offhand, I had better see a whole lotta lips-to-arse fanny-smackin' should the D* and E* return the Wow! Factor to their MPEG-4 HD.;)
 
Offhand said:
Riff, though I do appreciate your stance along with all of us that denounce HDLite (who wouldnt?) I am not so certain, well, I actually am pretty sure that the "group" will have just about nothing to do with the change. (If there is indeed a change, fingers crossed.) It is not like the execs and techs at both sat cos didn't know that it was going on. If the change is to come, and I believe that it will, it will be because of their ability, new sats, coding etc...to do it, not because of our cries. Those cries have done nothing in the last year and a half to make the change, how can credit be given now, right before it is about to happen? So you can expect the credit, but.....it's kind of like the protesters thinking they ended the war when it finally ends. So party on when it does. It's then end man, not the means!
 
Riff, though I do appreciate your stance along with all of us that denounce HDLite (who wouldnt?) I am not so certain, well, I actually am pretty sure that the "group" will have just about nothing to do with the change. (If there is indeed a change, fingers crossed.) It is not like the execs and techs at both sat cos didn't know that it was going on. If the change is to come, and I believe that it will, it will be because of their ability, new sats, coding etc...to do it, not because of our cries. Those cries have done nothing in the last year and a half to make the change, how can credit be given now, right before it is about to happen? So you can expect the credit, but.....it's kind of like the protesters thinking they ended the war when it finally ends. So party on when it does. It's then end man, not the means!
If I had to guess, it's a combo of several factors involving technology, economics, politics, legal issues, and consumer demand:

- Pressure by customers
- Pressure by consumer electronics groups making all those 1080p sets
- Improvements in modulation and encoding
- Reduction in STB hardward costs
- Pending litigation
- Regulatory pressures (lots of FCC and FTC complaints)
- Competition (FiOS TV's subperb quality)
 
If I had to guess, it's a combo of several factors involving technology, economics, politics, legal issues, and consumer demand:

- Pressure by customers
- Pressure by consumer electronics groups making all those 1080p sets
- Improvements in modulation and encoding
- Reduction in STB hardward costs
- Pending litigation
- Regulatory pressures (lots of FCC and FTC complaints)
- Competition (FiOS TV's subperb quality)


I agree.
 
DIRECTV is not pointing to pie in the sky with nebulous claims of anything. Instead they point to satellites in the sky, (or in the case of the last one waiting for launch). These satellites are built, launched (or about to be) and working. DIRECTV has the capacity coming on line now, not some uncertain date in the future (if the launch goes as planned, but that is out of DIRECTV's real control).

Scott is right in his article. DIRECTV was in a world of hurt, they devised a plan to salvage a bunch of satellites (from a failed internet in the sky plain) and use them television. They have these satellites up and working. They have demonstrated their ability, they are putting new LiL HD markets up right and left, and they have the capacity to do every station in the country, something Dish cannot do, and is years away from being able to do.

The only question there is, is how many HD channels are available to be put on the new system, not if the system has the capacity. With Dish (and cable) the question is where they will be able to find the capacity to keep up.

It may have looked like a hail mary pass a couple years ago when DIRECTV originally came up with the plan (and perhaps it was, no one knew if they could really salvage the satellites and get them working and overcome things like rainfade).

Now the drumbeats from DIRECTV are getting very loud. They have all except 1 satellite up, they are working and as soon as the last one is launched they will have the capacity to carry all the national HD channels that manage to get launched. They should also be able to rid themselves of HD lite and have full 1920x1080 once the MPEG-4 encoders get working that fast.

Echostar and cable are reacting to this, yes Echostar may be leading in content right now, but as you should know adding more than 15 new channels will pretty much max out the current system. Dish has said they will be launching a new system, but they have not provided any details about what satellites they will be using (there has been a lot of good speculation).

It is kind of like a jogger racing a car, the jogger may have started running an hour earlier, but how many minutes will it really take the car to catch up? Yes the jogger is in the lead, but one tends to put the money on the car winning the race in the long run...
 
My wife’s logic!

Back in the old days when cars had vertical tail fins,:) having color was a big thing over black and white; even though it was the same programming.

Then it was SD quality over analog quality, this was also a big thing.

Now outside of Voom, everything else in HD is a duplicate of SD program - and the difference is not a big thing for some folks (like my wife). She cannot see the reason to pay more for HD over SD. Again, if it was not for Voom, why pay extra for something that one day will be consistent for all channels.


So with D* causing everyone to move ahead faster in having everything in HD, just sit back and in a few years everything will be in some form of HD quality at no extra cost.

My wife’s logic!
 
It is kind of like a jogger racing a car, the jogger may have started running an hour earlier, but how many minutes will it really take the car to catch up? Yes the jogger is in the lead, but one tends to put the money on the car winning the race in the long run...
Kind of a bad analogy considering the Tortoise defeated the Hare.;)

Seriously, as much as despise D* for their dismal HD offering the past few years (main reason E* reduced their HD quality IMO) , I hope they kick-arse in the both the number and quality of their HD channels. I have no problem signing up with the provider who offers the best-quality and best-value HD lineup.
 
Scott,

You should just smile and thank me for the content of your article. What you wrote, you got from me! A thank you would be in order. But, once again, how could you thank the likes of me? I must say though, you did listen and you did learn. Next time, please post my name along with my thoughts. I'd appreciate it.

Welcome to the BIG BOYS!


Don, if you read here often you will see that I have actually stated what I stated in my MultiChannel News artice quite a few times (and I also posted the same to AVS a number of times as well)

Yesterday I was talking with a friend from Dish Network about the article and surprisingly he agrees with what I said. He acknowledged that because of DirecTV's annuncements it has "greatly accelerated" their HD plans.

The other day I posted a video link here which featured a number of Cable operators admitted that they have had to step up their HD rollout because of DirecTV's announced plans. (I can't find the link at the moment)

If it wasn't or DiecTV "taking the lead" and bringing Hig Definition to the forefront chances are the HD Landscape on Dish Network and even the cable companies probably would not have changed much from what we have today.

By taking the reigns and making HD it's main stradigy DirecTV has accelerated the HD rollout, which is good for ALL OF US HD FANS no matter who you have as your provider.

One thing I did not talk about but will be in a future MultiChannel News article is the HD Lite game. DirecTV now has all eyes on them, and from where I sit if they need to do it correctly. DirecTV is staking its reputation on High Definition. HD Lite will NOT be acceptable. So while all eyes are on DiecTV it is time for them to put up or shut up once and for all.

We are all watching, and hopefully we all benefit from it. :)
 

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