CBS stations return to DISH

[dwarren2]

For real die hards, there is a possible solution. There is a little know fact about cable TV. They are required to carry a super basic tier that is mostly just local channels. It costs around $15/mo give or take. I had that package for several years.

 

[dare2be]

For real die hards, there is a possible solution. There is a little know fact about cable TV. They are required to carry a super basic tier that is mostly just local channels. It costs around $15/mo give or take. I had that package for several years.

I had that super basic tier to save myself $15 on my cable internet package. The package ran about $10 and over the years it climbed to over $20/month so I dropped it, and now I just go year-to-year on threats to cancel to get a discounted internet package rate.

 

[dwarren2]

2.5 years ago I called to discontinue that package (TWC). They made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Full basic digital cable with a dvr and a cable box for only $8 more than I was paying for internet and the super basic cable for 2 years. When the deal ended, the price went up by over $30. I was only using cable to watch MSG. Next day my equipment went back to TWC. But it really showed how superior the Hopper is over cable's dvr.

 

[RONZ]

Except you could cause problems for other broadcasters that AREN'T affiliated with CBS.

Here's my example (programming made up)... WBBM in Chicago is pulled. So Dish imports the CBS from Madison, WI. However, the NBC in Chicago has the Jeopardy! contract. So does the CBS in Madison. Now you're (potentially) taking viewers from the NBC show. How is that fair to them?

Also, if Dish is allowed to import from another market, what's their motivation to negotiate "in good faith"?

This issue happens on Comcast in Flint MI. Currently the imported channels Detroit are simply blanked out during the time those shows are on. Dish is capable of going the same thing just like they do with sports.

 

[sam_gordon]

Cool. Didn't know that could automated.

Then what keeps Dish negotiating in good faith?

 

[Templeton0543]

For real die hards, there is a possible solution. There is a little know fact about cable TV. They are required to carry a super basic tier that is mostly just local channels. It costs around $15/mo give or take. I had that package for several years.

When dishes were new and getting local channels was a PITA this was the easy solution through Sonic and then Charter cables. But it only works for those with access to cable, I can't. With the Balkanization of tv much would depend then on the quality of the apps. Commercials, and the ability to block and/or fast forward through them would be important to me, ymmv. I do subscribe to Netflix but not Hulu.

 

[sam_gordon]

I think I read the suggestion here, but I like it...

Those who live within reasonable (definition TBD) OTA range should pay the retrans fees. Anyone outside reasonable OTA reception should get the programming free.

 

[CK SatGuy]

The only issue for Detroit is that CBS is suppose to the have the Lions Thanksgiving game versus the Bears (surprising since they're both NFC teams but looking at the schedule, CBS has this game). If CBS were to stay dark on Dish on Thanksgving, then Dish will have some complaints from Detroit and Chicago as CBS owns the stations in both cities.

 

[ChadT41]

You know what's funny, is I just thought about everyone who is saying that dish is the one with the track record. Didn't CBS come off of TWC or Comcast for a few weeks. Only the O&O stations? And didn't they want an absurd increase?

 

[CK SatGuy]

You know what's funny, is I just thought about everyone who is saying that dish is the one with the track record. Didn't CBS come off of TWC or Comcast for a few weeks. Only the O&O stations? And didn't they want an absurd increase?

Yup they were off TWC for the month of August because CBS wanted double or nothing ($2 per sub per month versus the $1 per per month they're getting right now). Same situation we have here with Dish. And yes, it's only the O&O stations.

 

[KAB]

You know what's funny, is I just thought about everyone who is saying that dish is the one with the track record. Didn't CBS come off of TWC or Comcast for a few weeks. Only the O&O stations? And didn't they want an absurd increase?

Yep, CBS vs TWC, August-September-ish 2013...beginning of NFL season. But once again, terms of agreement were never released.

 

[CK SatGuy]

Here's what I want to know: So CBS owns 29 stations: 16 with CBS, 8 with CW, 3 independent, and 2 with MyNetwork TV all in top 35 markets. What I want to know is how many subs Dish has in each of those markets. I'm mean people are saying EVERYBODY in those markets will be affected but for all we know, Dish could have more subs in Denver than in NYC, LA, Detroit and Chicago combined. Like others have said on here, it'll be interesting to see how many subs would actually switch if CBS goes dark on Dish.

 

[Mr Tony]

The only issue for Detroit is that CBS is suppose to the have the Lions Thanksgiving game versus the Bears (surprising since they're both NFC teams but looking at the schedule, CBS has this game)..

This year (due to the new TV agreement) they can "cross flex" games. As example the Vikes/Bears game yesterday was on CBS. They've done it a few times to get a "good game" to more folks.

 

[Mr Tony]

Here's what I want to know: So CBS owns 29 stations: 16 with CBS, 8 with CW, 3 independent, and 2 with MyNetwork TV all in top 35 markets. What I want to know is how many subs Dish has in each of those markets. I'm mean people are saying EVERYBODY in those markets will be affected but for all we know, Dish could have more subs in Denver than in NYC, LA, Detroit and Chicago combined. Like others have said on here, it'll be interesting to see how many subs would actually switch if CBS goes dark on Dish.

One note...its only 14 CBS stations. Minneapolis CBS (WCCO) has 2 satellite stations (KCCO & KCCW) because the market is so huge (runs from Iowa to almost the Canadian border). Obviously only WCCO is carried. But in the rural areas most folks have satellite. No cable and the OTA is minimal (at our lake house as example its CBS, PBS and now Fox and CBS is iffy)

 

[dishcomm]

Update.....
http://www.fiercecable.com/story/cb.../2014-11-17?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

 

[ChadT41]

I like that article, and the ones following that I clicked on. In Depth on Moonves, not only ousting Charlie and Dish, but also his own affiliate stations. Even dropped one, and replaced it with a deal he may with Tribune. What a nitwit.

 

[KAB]

I like that article, and the ones following that I clicked on. In Depth on Moonves, not only ousting Charlie and Dish, but also his own affiliate stations. Even dropped one, and replaced it with a deal he may with Tribune. What a nitwit.

That one he dropped was here in Indy. Will be going on a local's sub-channel in Jan. Can't wait for the probable guide fiasco that will cause...not to mention if it will be a part of prime time anytime anymore.

 

[ChadT41]

So you are in agreement? Les Moonves is a Nitwit...lol

 

[Hall]

Update.....
http://www.fiercecable.com/story/cb.../2014-11-17?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

Hmmm, does this statement from Dish sound familiar ? I modified to be their boilerplate version....

"Only (insert network name here) can force a blackout of its channels," read a Dish response, issued Friday. "Dish is actively working to reach a deal before the contract expires and has successfully negotiated agreements representing hundreds of stations in recent months that benefit all parties, including our viewers. We are unsure why (insert network name here) decided to involve customers in the contract negotiation process at a point when there is time for the two parties to reach a mutually beneficial deal."

 

[ChairBound]

Hmmm, does this statement from Dish sound familiar ? I modified to be their boilerplate version....

Well, yes...that is exactly what DISH has said throughout each and every one of these carriage negotiations over the past years. There is no "innocent" party here though. These are big business owners, they are both asses as far as I can tell just because they ARE rich and feel entitled, and they are both into this for the max amount of profit they can wring out of being in business. They have to pay for that fourth or fifth vacation home somehow.