Can I watch Galaxy 19 @ 97.0°W using 75cm Elliptical from where I am

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Hi Everyone,
I am in New York City, and previously the channels I wanted were on Galaxy 25, and I could use this map to determine size of dish I needed. (It is between 75-85cm)

But when I go back there to check the requirement for Galaxy 19 (the Sat channels were moved to), it does not have the page listed.

I got this 75cm elliptical (29.5") dish from a friend, and I wanted to see if I could just use it instead of buying another one. (I still need to buy a receiver).


Does anyone know if Galaxy 19's dish requirement is larger or smaller? Thanks in advance.
 
are there any markings on it with a name?

can you possibly take a pic of it?

If its elliptical, what are both dimensions? (I have a oblong dish that is 37 long x 27 high)
 
The dish is actually plastic, I never knew they were plastic!
It is 26.5" x 36" in size.
It has LNB Model No. NJR2162F.
Manual lists TELSTAR 5 Satellite 97 for some reason.

I hope these help:






:hungry:
 
oh yeah that will work..thats the same as my Starchocie 75e dish and Globecast which has a subscription service at 97W for some channels uses the same dish

The satellite spot there has gone name changes

was Telstar 5 then bought and renamed
IntelSat America 5 then bought out again and renamed
Galaxy 25 then they put a new satellite there which was
Galaxy 19 :)

Here is my Starchoice 75e
 

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Thanks guys.
Laropra, thanks for that site, although it shows some information which I will need to study installation instructions first to have them useful

Satellite: Galaxy 19
Orbital position: 97°W
Distance to satellite: 38273.38km
Beam: Ku-band North America Beam (Ku)

Azimuth angle: 213.14°
Elevation angle: 37.29°
LNB Tilt (Skew): -24.47°

:)

iceberg,
thanks a lot for the confirmation. Do these really need to be grounded? I have two Direct dishes on my roof for my neighbors, I don't see any ground going out from them.

I need a basic receiver, can anyone recommend one for a reasonable price? Even used one will be OK as long as it is user friendly for someone like me who never setup one before.
 
Do you want lightning finding ground through your receiver?

I think not. It is possible that if you improperly install a dish and if it causes damage to the building, your insurance may not cover it.


Here's more info than anybody needs:


c&p from articles.directorym.net

Lightning Protection System Grounding


Though unpredictable, lightning is a very common event around the world. There are more than 40,000 storms every day producing more than eight million lightning strokes. These strokes can result in fires, damage to buildings, and breakdowns to electrical, telephone and computer installations. Damage results from electromagnetic fields from the lightning stroke, voltage differentials in ground systems, and structural damage from ohmic heating or mechanical forces. Damage can be attributed to insufficient direct-strike protection, inappropriate grounding and bonding that permit lightning currents to flow near susceptible electronics, and deficient Transient Voltage Surge Suppression (TVSS) protection.
What can be done to protect personnel and capital investments? The best approach to prevention is a properly designed and installed lightning protection (LP) mitigation system (Reference NFPA 780, UL 96 and UL 96A for LP equipment and proper installation procedures). The foundation upon which the LP system is built is a properly designed grounding electrode system, complemented with proper bonding practices, to create an equipotential plane and the application of TVSS to all power, communication and data signal lines.
Lightning's Nature

The properties of a lightning stroke are indeed impressive, with an instantaneous power of over one Megawatt and, on average, a peak current level of 30,000 Amperes. There are three main lightning interactions that need to be considered:

  1. Direct lightning stroke to the facility
  2. Near stroke that induces large voltage impulses in metal conductors
  3. Ringing results that occur when a tuned cable captures similar frequencies from the radiated stroke.
Lightning Protection

The most popular methods of lightning protection have involved the use of passive Franklin air terminals, horizontal and vertical conductors or combinations thereof. The LP system is dependent on the ground electrode system to effectively dissipate lightning energy into the earth. The characteristics of a ground system under the impulse conditions of a lightning stroke are important if an effective LP ground system is to be implemented. This ensures that the grounding system provides low ground impedance and not just a low resistance. This is a central point to the philosophy of LP ground system design.
The impulse from a lightning stroke is comprised of both high- and low-frequency components. The wave shape of the impulse is characterized by a very steep rise in voltage and current followed by a long tail of excess energy content. The high frequency is associated with the fast rising front while the lower frequency component resides in the long, high-energy tail. Because of this steep rate of current rise, the inductance of the ground system becomes a central point of the design. The voltage rise, known as Ground Potential Rise (GPR), is dependent not just on the system resistance, but more importantly, the impedance (inductive reactance) of the system. The voltage rise can be expressed by the following formula, where I (A) is the instantaneous current, R (?) is the system resistance, L (µH) is the inductance of the system, and dI/dt (kA/µsec) is the current rate to peak of the impulse.
The injection point on the structure can reach hundreds of thousands or even millions of volts relative to remote earth, due to the lightning stroke. The dominant factor attributed to this large impressed voltage is the product of the inductance and the rapid rate of current from the impulse. It is this type of large voltage rise that leads to the hazard known as flashover — arcing from the LP system to an adjacent metallic conductor due to the dielectric breakdown of air between the conductors. Therefore, a low impedance ground is essential to the performance of the LP system.
A Grounding System

The ultimate goal of a LP ground system is to dissipate the energy from the lightning stroke into the earth, safely and efficiently. The efficacy of the system is one in which the potential rise of the surrounding earth is minimized and the rate of potential fall from the injection point is maximized. Step and touch potentials are maintained to safe levels and an equipotential ground plane is created to ensure the safety of equipment and personnel. Equipotential bonding is used throughout the installation to eliminate damage caused by differential ground potentials. Note that the National Electric Code (NEC) requires that the grounds from all systems including, power, cable, telephone and LP be bonded together.
The LP grounding system must be robust and constructed from materials that will perform for the service life of the building or structure that it is protecting. Inductance and skin effects are the major considerations in selection of conductors, connectors and installation practices. Radials constructed of flat strip or cable, and typically embedded in a ground enhancement material, are the most effective electrodes in reducing GPR and directing lightning energy away from the point of injection. Other commonly used electrodes include ground rods, plates, and enhanced or electrolytic ground rods.
Exothermically welded connections provide the lowest inductance path for high frequency lightning surges while providing the highest level of reliability. They are mandatory for below-grade connections and reduce the concern of corrosive deterioration.
Soil Considerations

Knowing the resistivity of the soil is important since the resistance of a ground electrode or a complete electrode system is directly proportional to soil resistivity. The most common method utilized for measuring soil resistivity is the Four Point Method using the equally spaced Wenner Arrangement. This method is commonly referred to as the Four Pin Method. The Fall of Potential Method is most commonly used to measure the resistance of a ground electrode system, though in some situations, clamp-on style ground testers provide valuable information. The resistance of the installed systems is typically under five ohms.
Knowing the soil resistivity allows the designer to apply what is known about LP grounding conductors and electrodes. For example, if the upper layer is poorly conductive, larger radial wire or strip should be used to reduce the inductance between ground rods, and the spacing between the rods should be decreased. Changing conductor size and rod spacing is required due to the soil not shunting the radial inductance as it would if this layer were conductive. The impedance of the radial conductors can be greatly reduced by the addition of conductive ground enhancement materials around the conductors. Furthermore, high resistivity soils can cause a high concentration in the electric field around an electrode, which may cause arcing in the soil that can fuse the soil into a glass material (fulgurites). This glass material will no longer be conductive.
A periodic inspection program is needed to ensure that continuity exists throughout the ground system. Annual testing is recommended to verify that the system is operating at an optimal level. Regular inspections need to test both the electrical resistance of the system to remote earth as well as continuity within the system
 
It is interesting that only the mast has to be grounded for the National Electric Code (NEC) and then you only need a number 17 copper coated steel wire. If it convenient to ground the mast - do so, other wise......

If you can put a ground block inline with the coax you will be protecting your receiver. I have attached a picture of a ground block. Ground it to you building's electrical ground.
Bob
 

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Actually that is covered under building entry. Yes tie into the same ground as the building electrical. You should try to tie in near the ground rod if you can (hard to do in a big apt bldg.). Structural steel is a very good ground (I-beams etc...)

Not protecting the receiver but your house from burning down. The NEC doesn't care about your equpt. Just your life.

Masts into the dirt don't need it. Those shield grounds are what the dish installers use. (same rules)


Iceberg if you want some ground wire I can drop it off somewhere near the cities.

I got a license for this electronics install thing I do.
 
Thanks guys.
Laropra, thanks for that site, although it shows some information which I will need to study installation instructions first to have them useful

Satellite: Galaxy 19
Orbital position: 97°W
Distance to satellite: 38273.38km
Beam: Ku-band North America Beam (Ku)

Azimuth angle: 213.14°
Elevation angle: 37.29°
LNB Tilt (Skew): -24.47°

:)

iceberg,
thanks a lot for the confirmation. Do these really need to be grounded? I have two Direct dishes on my roof for my neighbors, I don't see any ground going out from them.

I need a basic receiver, can anyone recommend one for a reasonable price? Even used one will be OK as long as it is user friendly for someone like me who never setup one before.
look for a coolsat, fortec, or pansat they are all good models. Stay away from dreambox as they are a nightmare to work on.
 
Same here,
None of my dishes or ham antennas are grounded. I just unplug and terminate every thing when a lightning storm comes my way. It's a real crude system but it works for me.
 
Same here,
None of my dishes or ham antennas are grounded. I just unplug and terminate every thing when a lightning storm comes my way. It's a real crude system but it works for me.
:confused: What happens when lightning hits and you're not home?:rolleyes:
 
A close enough (or direct) lightning hit will toast your receiver, grounded or not. Bleeding off static is the most important job of those little ground blocks. NEC tends toward hyperbole at times.

Just my $.02, Eric
 
Babadem,
It's a pain, but whenever there are thunderstorms in the forecast, I unplug everything before I leave the house or go to bed.
 
Compared to my area, my house 2 floors from front, 3 from rear (group of 6 attached houses) are midgets. I have 8 floor apartment building right in front of me, 6 floor to my left and another 7 floor apartment building about 200 feet to my right. Not to mention slightly taller houses behind mine about 100 feet away.

There are three DirecTV dishes on my roof (previous owner probably allowed neighbors to mount them on our roof to get line of sight) and non of them are grounded. If fire escape letter will work, I can run another line to it and hook it up to it, but honestly it would be one in a million chance for my house to get with one.

Thanks for the receiver suggestions.
I found following:
Fortec Star Dynamic for $70 shipped
Sonicview 360 Premier PVR $130 shipped

These are the cheapest two I can find (one plain and one DVR). Is it really important to have USB port for firmware upgrades? Do these frequently require firmware updates to keep channel line-up up to date? Serial should work fine, but a bit slower, I assume.

In addition, I also found this software (I hope it is OK to give links)
SAT - Satellite Antenna Alignment (Satellite Dish Alignment) which looks like it makes it much easier to aim the antenna. [Edit: I noticed it has some sort of ad-ware or monitoring software bundled with it, makes it suspicious, but you can decline and I hope it doesn't include the spyware then] The only thing I am concerned about is getting the bolts hooked up correctly to have that perfect vertical mounting spot, since my roof is flat and the only vertical flat surface I have is the chimney/flue which I wouldn't want to screw anything on.

Thanks again everyone.
 
receiver suggestion:

Not sure about that Sonicview receiver.
Might get a 3rd opinion.

If you want a PVR (and I have one), look on ebay and see if you can find a Visionsat IV-200 for around $90 or so.
We have a review of it in our Hardware Review Department, if you'd like more info.
 
Thank you very much Anole,
All the videos, tutorials, etc I have seen so far fortec dynamic or mercury, and honestly as much as Visionsat PVR looks appealing (especially at $90 while it is $130+ elsewhere), I just can't bring myself to order it from ebay .

I also can't find the manufacturer website, but it looks like iceberg covered this receiver very well, and I would be counting on the assistance of the forum if I run into trouble setting it up. :)
 
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