Then how do we explain this?
And then there's this.
So, Navychop, you seem to be the odd man out. Perhaps your guide didn't update by the time you checked this?
Bizarre appearance of 3 local stations
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Then how do we explain this?
And then there's this.
So, Navychop, you seem to be the odd man out. Perhaps your guide didn't update by the time you checked this?
I noticed on Local Channels on DISH Network (Unofficial Listing) that those channels are in the Washington, DC listings with no location shown. I have no idea what that means though...
WMDE, virtual channel 36 (VHF digital channel 5), is an independent television station owned by WRNN-TV Associates and licensed to Dover, Delaware, United States, though its transmitter is located north of Wye Mills, Maryland, 41 miles (66 km) southwest of Dover. The station's location near the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay allows it, along with additional cable and satellite coverage, to also air their programming in the Baltimore and Washington, D.C. markets across the Bay, though officially it is classified in the smaller Salisbury/Dover market
Perhaps it is a remap of a different OTA Channel assignment. In the LA DMA, Dish has taken Channel 64.1 OTA KILM viewable with OTA antenna, but NOT provided as LIL, and remapped it as Channel 3 KILM, satellite delivered LIL. There is no channel 3 in the LA DMA, but I believe this occurred because Dish was paid by Battlecam to provide KILM as LIL at a prime location on the guide: between KCBS and KNBC. Meanwhile, there is no satellite delivered LIL of channel 61 KILM, at the channel 61.0 location on the EPG--only at nonexistent LA DMA channel 3 remap.
I realize that the OP should not even be seeing these types of channels, but it may explain what those channels are, and the fact that they are appearing on his OTA antenna indicates some kind of error or bug on Dish's part.
I realize that the OP should not even be seeing these types of channels, but it may explain what those channels are, and the fact that they are appearing on his OTA antenna indicates some kind of error or bug on Dish's part.
It probably got "moved" due to the fact that KILM-64 is now spectrum sharing w/KPXN-30. But because KILM was a full-power station - & entitled to must-carry - it STILL gets must-carry status even though it is NO longer broadcasting on it's own channel. Also since KPXN is (also) owned by ION, that's probably how they got DISH to move it in the EPG...read this info:
KILM - Wikipedia
KILM, 64 was mapped to LIL channel 3 when FilmON assumed operations (not ownership) as part of an LMA years ago (essentially leasing the station for its entire 24/7 airtime for FilmON content, mostly BattleCam) years BEFORE ION took ownership of KILM, so I doubt it was due to the recent channel sharing and common ownership by ION. Channel Sharing, as in the case of KILM, 64 and KPXN, 30, means that both services BROADCAST on the same Radio Frequency but have two DIFFERENT virtual channel numbers assigned by the FCC, and in the case of re-pack and the case of KILM, stations KEEP the virtual channel number they were assigned before the re-pack. Further, if KILM were to invoke Must Carry, then they would be LIL mapped at its FCC virtual channel assignment of 64, not channel 3. As of today, KILM is NOT LIL at 64, but is LIL only at Channel 3 on Dish, and is otherwise ONLY accessible by OTA antenna on Dish. The new ownership of KILM by ION has not changed anything regarding its virtual channel assignment of 64. KILM is STILL broadcasting at virtual channel 64 to this day.
I also seem to remember that not too long ago PunchTV--where you could be a shareholder for a mere $1 per share; the constant appeal for "shareholders" seemed to never cease--was at KILM for a brief period. KILM sure seems to LMA to some unusual entities of interesting repute, not to go into detail.
Originally, before the digital transition, upon the day of Must Carry for analog stations of the day, Dish did assign LIL in the thousands virtual channel range such as 7000's or 8000's, etc. in its EPG as a temporary solution until channel mapping to the TRUE broadcast channel number was possible for Dish. Dish's intention was to map to TRUE broadcast channel assignments on day one of Must Carry, but the software to make that possible was not finished until well after Must Carry went into effect for satellite.
Again, this KILM at channel 3 mapping was immediately after that million/billionaire behind the BattleCam/FilmON leased KILM 64 as LMA for his money making 24/7 FilmON/BattleCam. The FilmON/BattleCam left KILM a very long time ago, but then quickly landed on another LA area channel, but then FilmON/BattleCam quickly disappeared from that channel, as well, and I haven't seen it in the LA area years since.
I suspect that the either the super rich guy--who INHERITED his billions--who leased KILM, 64 as LMA, originally signed a long-term contract with Dish to LIL KILM, 64 mapped at virtual channel 3 for its PREMIUM place on the EPG: between KCBS 2 and KNBC 4, and it is still in effect, or the previous owner of KILM, 64--who leased it to FilmON as LMA--extended the original contract to be LIL mapped to channel 3 and ION inherited that agreement upon transfer of ownership. Again, there is NO Channel 3 assignment in the LA DMA.
KILM, 64 being mapped to a non-existent virtual channel is the ONLY instance I'm aware of out of the 180 OTA channels (counting sub-channels) that appear using an OTA antenna, but anyone is welcome to PAY an MVPD for a more favored position on the LIL remap such as an unused virtual channel number. Of course, MSO's have been, and still do, re-transmit local channels at analog RF frequencies OTHER than the FCC assigned channel, but that is legacy for MSO's because it was the ONLY way an MSO could provide all the locals AND all those pay tv channels using the only frequencies available to it at the time: analog RF TV frequencies.
If others have any other instances of an OTA in a DMA that is mapped to a far more favorable virtual channel than the TRUE virtual channel number on the Dish EPG, let us know. KILM can't be the only instance in all Dish LIL land, can it?
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