Bill James states HOF WILL admit steroids users!

Can we admit to several self-evident facts:
  • No player who used (or uses) PEDs is gaining an "unfair advantage" over a player who does not because the player who does not use has made the affirmative decision not to.
  • Statistics accumulated during the so-called "PED" era are no more "outside the norm" than those accumulated after baseball changed the makeup of the ball in the 1920s, allowed vastly underqualified "major leaguers" to play during World War II, instituted the widespread use of night games in the postwar era, lowered the mount from 18 to 10 inches in 1969, allowed the use of artificial turf and indoor stadia in the 1970s, instituted the designated hitter in 1973, and continually diluted the talent pool as a result of grotesque expansion.
  • PEDs have been used throughout all of baseball history. These include "greenies" (to offset the effects of all-night benders) and cortisone shots (to offset the effects of injuries). Many were administered by club-employed trainers and medical personnel. And those are just the treatments we know about.
  • Baseball has always known about PED use and historically has done nothing to stop it. Therefore, baseball has traditionally condoned it. Therefore, it is not cheating.
  • The fact that PED use may be illegal outside the confines of baseball means nothing. Assault is illegal outside hockey, football and boxing, after all.
 
Ok, what about Gaylord Perry, Rollie Fingers or Amphetamines?

Gaylord Perry was rumored to have thrown a spitball. Are you really comparing saliva to performance enhancing drugs?

Not sure what Rollie Fingers did. I assume it had something to do with the gell on his moustache?

As for amphetamines, they're not called performance enhancing drugs for a reason. There is no evidence this "helped" Mike or other users in the game. It may have actually impaired him if anything.
 
Can we admit to several self-evident facts:
  • No player who used (or uses) PEDs is gaining an "unfair advantage" over a player who does not because the player who does not use has made the affirmative decision not to.
  • Statistics accumulated during the so-called "PED" era are no more "outside the norm" than those accumulated after baseball changed the makeup of the ball in the 1920s, allowed vastly underqualified "major leaguers" to play during World War II, instituted the widespread use of night games in the postwar era, lowered the mount from 18 to 10 inches in 1969, allowed the use of artificial turf and indoor stadia in the 1970s, instituted the designated hitter in 1973, and continually diluted the talent pool as a result of grotesque expansion.
  • PEDs have been used throughout all of baseball history. These include "greenies" (to offset the effects of all-night benders) and cortisone shots (to offset the effects of injuries). Many were administered by club-employed trainers and medical personnel. And those are just the treatments we know about.
  • Baseball has always known about PED use and historically has done nothing to stop it. Therefore, baseball has traditionally condoned it. Therefore, it is not cheating.
  • The fact that PED use may be illegal outside the confines of baseball means nothing. Assault is illegal outside hockey, football and boxing, after all.

You can't be serious???? Really??:rolleyes:
 
Can we admit to several self-evident facts:
  • No player who used (or uses) PEDs is gaining an "unfair advantage" over a player who does not because the player who does not use has made the affirmative decision not to.
  • Statistics accumulated during the so-called "PED" era are no more "outside the norm" than those accumulated after baseball changed the makeup of the ball in the 1920s, allowed vastly underqualified "major leaguers" to play during World War II, instituted the widespread use of night games in the postwar era, lowered the mount from 18 to 10 inches in 1969, allowed the use of artificial turf and indoor stadia in the 1970s, instituted the designated hitter in 1973, and continually diluted the talent pool as a result of grotesque expansion.
  • PEDs have been used throughout all of baseball history. These include "greenies" (to offset the effects of all-night benders) and cortisone shots (to offset the effects of injuries). Many were administered by club-employed trainers and medical personnel. And those are just the treatments we know about.
  • Baseball has always known about PED use and historically has done nothing to stop it. Therefore, baseball has traditionally condoned it. Therefore, it is not cheating.
  • The fact that PED use may be illegal outside the confines of baseball means nothing. Assault is illegal outside hockey, football and boxing, after all.

Each point is more bizarre than the last one...


Sandra
 
What gets me is here is THE LEADING statistician AND historian in the game, the guy that created stats measures by which baseball STILL uses EXTENSIVELY....and you guys, are more or less saying he is wrong and full of sh**...!!! LOL!!

Bill James has a vested interest in making sure people continue to rely on the statistics in his publications. If public sentiment states statistics are not as relevant because of steroid use of an entire generation of baseball players, he may sell less books.

Of course, he's trying to combat that. As Ralphie would say...this is 'a stinkin' commercial'...

;) ;) ;)


Sandra
 
...but you still have to SEE a 90+ mph fastball to hit it. As well as A-Rod and Barry Bonds.... those guys were/are good....REGARDLESS of whether they took the juice or not.

I agree with you there. It's very obvious those guys are all great players. Juice or no juice, they have the talent. I don't think anyone can honestly disagree with that.

Now for my opinion on the subject in question.. I personally don't think they should be allowed in HOWEVER I definitely see it happening at some point. There are too many HOF caliber players that have been named as juicers, and many more yet to be named. They won't ban them all. And besides, if they aren't going to ban them from playing the game when they've been found guilty, why ban them from the HOF? If you're going to allow them to continue to play the game juiced and build up false stats, why not let those stats be recognized?
 
Bill James has a vested interest in making sure people continue to rely on the statistics in his publications. If public sentiment states statistics are not as relevant because of steroid use of an entire generation of baseball players, he may sell less books.

Of course, he's trying to combat that. As Ralphie would say...this is 'a stinkin' commercial'...

;) ;) ;)


Sandra

LMAO!!! Let me get this straight....he has a vested interest??!!You think this is about selling books?!! Your kidding me right?!

OMG......:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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