Bandwidth Waste?

GooberVoomer

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I'm probably one of VOOM's biggest fans, but I really think it's a waste of bandwidth to put black and white content (except, of course, Andy Griffith reruns or really bad Japanese Science Fiction movies) in HD. Why not put NBCHD on satellite so everyone on your system can see the Olympics? Are there any FCC regulations against this? Also, HDNET would be great, as would the Travel Channel in HD.
 
billybob4usa said:
I'm probably one of VOOM's biggest fans, but I really think it's a waste of precious HD bandwidth to put old balck and white movies, or a popcicle melting, in HD. Please VOOM, why not put NBCHD on your satellite so everyone on your system can see the Olympics, not just those in NBC O&O markets. Are thre any FCC regulations against this?
YES there are FCC regs against that. Call your local affiliate and see what happens when you ask for a waiver to recieve a distant network feed. LMAO If your not in an owned and operated market, you have to be outside of their grade B reception contour and prove that you cannot recieve their signal with an inspection and a test of your antenna. And then the antenna will have to meet all of their regs on mounting height etc. GOOD LUCK.
 
VOOM should consider "flipping the switch" and let everyone have access the Olympic channels at this point in time. I'm sure NBC and the FCC have better things to do than go after VOOM with their 35k+/- subs.

I have HDNET and HDNET Movies on cable...you're not missing much IMO!
 
I agree....but the reality that if you are not in an Operated and Owned NBC market the NBC that is in your area doesnt have to give you a waiver. Its a crappy law that has money at the root...the only losers are the people that want to watch the olympics.
 
Doesn't this have a lot to do with the FCC regulations against network ownership of more than a certain number of affiliate stations in an effort to maintain diversity of voices in local broadcasting (think Clearchannel in radio, Knight Ridder in newspapers)? NBC locals have sold lots of advertising for the games and they want to make sure that they have audiences rather than losing people to satellite feeds of other locals.

I guess I'm lucky that although my local is not NBC O&O (and I pick it up OTA), they are broadcasting the HDTV broadcast 24/7 on their digital channel.

I certainly would like to have the SDTV broadcast also for live coverage. The idea of using a subchannel for SDTV is great! Out of the digital OTA locals I receive: NBC, CBS, Fox, and the WB only broadcast digital on a signal channel, ABC on two subchannels, South Carolina PBS on three (two SDTV and one HDTV), and NC PBS on up to five at one time (often fewer to give more bandwidth to the other subchannels)!

Dumping my cable provider I will no longer have access to an SDTV NBC affiliate, but frankly I like being able to watch the highlights in HDTV even a day late.

NBC and its independant local affiliates have no doubt run cost-benefit analyses in producing full-scale HDTV coverage and figured that with this service they will cover most people.

Those folks who are knocking NBC, rembmer that NBC and its affiliates (Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, Telemundo, etc.) are broadcasting something like *triple* the hours of Olympic coverage than any previous olympics. SDTV, granted, but for most people that is fine!

If there is a clamouring for more HDTV coverage I should think there would be a lot more of it by the time the 2006 winter games roll around once a lot more people have HD sets and receivers.

In other words, its all about the $.

CDH.
 
Doesn't this have a lot to do with the FCC regulations against network ownership of more than a certain number of affiliate stations in an effort to maintain diversity of voices in local broadcasting (think Clearchannel in radio, Knight Ridder in newspapers)? NBC locals have sold lots of advertising for the games and they want to make sure that they have audiences rather than losing people to satellite feeds of other locals.

I guess I'm lucky that although my local is not NBC O&O (and I pick it up OTA), they are broadcasting the HDTV broadcast 24/7 on their digital channel.

I certainly would like to have the SDTV broadcast also for live coverage. The idea of using a subchannel for SDTV is great! Out of the digital OTA locals I receive: NBC, CBS, Fox, and the WB only broadcast digital on a signal channel, ABC on two subchannels, South Carolina PBS on three (two SDTV and one HDTV), and NC PBS on up to five at one time (often fewer to give more bandwidth to the other subchannels)!

Dumping my cable provider I will no longer have access to an SDTV NBC affiliate, but frankly I like being able to watch the highlights in HDTV even a day late.

NBC and its independant local affiliates have no doubt run cost-benefit analyses in producing full-scale HDTV coverage and figured that with this service they will cover most people.

Those folks who are knocking NBC, remember that NBC and its affiliates (Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, Telemundo, etc.) are broadcasting something like *triple* the hours of Olympic coverage than any previous olympics. SDTV, granted, but for most people that is fine!

If there is a clamouring for more HDTV coverage I should think there would be a lot more of it by the time the 2006 winter games roll around once a lot more people have HD sets and receivers.

In other words, its all about the $.

CDH.
 
I disagree, what about the old Bogart Classics? They look great in HD, B&W or not. And how about those 3 Stooges in Space? I like to see movies the way they were originally aired, no colorizing or "Lucasing".
 
Okay. I agree. What I really meant is not to waste HD bandwidth on movies of questionable merit. Actually, some of VOOM's B&W are some of their better movie content. Some of VOOM's Cinema movies could really be in standard definition without any noticable loss in observable picture quality -- the HD signal is really wasted. Bottom line: use HD bandwidth for quality content only (with the one exception being really bad science fiction movies, preferably of the 1960's Japenese genre, with faulty lip-syncs).
 
GooberVoomer said:
Okay. I agree. What I really meant is not to waste HD bandwidth on movies of questionable merit. Actually, some of VOOM's B&W are some of their better movie content. Some of VOOM's Cinema movies could really be in standard definition without any noticable loss in observable picture quality -- the HD signal is really wasted. Bottom line: use HD bandwidth for quality content only (with the one exception being really bad science fiction movies, preferably of the 1960's Japenese genre, with faulty lip-syncs).
They just need to run 4 movies a day on each channel on cinema5 instead of 2 movies a day per channel on cinema 10
 
Technical Question

GooberVoomer said:
If the Olympics is shot in HD, why can't VOOM put Bravo 502 in HD? Not enough bandwidth avialable? That's what I mean about bandwidth waste. I would much rather see the Olympics in HD than an old John Wayne Western -- even though he's my most favorite Hollywood movie star.

I wasn't sure which Forum to post my technical question to -- Goob
 

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