Are we ever going to see External Storage for 622?
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Is anyone else in the IT field getting a kick out of this thread?
Some of these post are LOL funny, like using a pc as a hard drive.
Sorry to interrupt, continue the brainstorming. :up
I don't think the concept is funny... Since Linux supports Samba; there's no practical reason the 622 couldn't mount up network shares.
Personally, I'd prefer storage to a NAS device; but that's not gonna happen any time soon.
What would be nice as an E* sanctioned/controlled NAS-alernative would be if you could leave a big fat USB drive hanging off of your 'main' DVR and play content on any other ViP settop on your home network.
Any reason why that couldn't work (i.e. what kind of network speeds would be needed, etc.)...and why Dish shouldn't offer that?
Any reason why that couldn't work (i.e. what kind of network speeds would be needed, etc.)...and why Dish shouldn't offer that?
You mean other than than the fact that it does not have the NFS kernel module loaded...
Yeah somehow I think Dish has already ruled out iSCSI and AoE for the 622
I have almost 3TB capacity here at home and nothing legal to do with it.
You mean other than than the fact that it does not have the NFS kernel module loaded...
Yeah somehow I think Dish has already ruled out iSCSI and AoE for the 622
We both know that they could download and add NFS and SMB to a software update to allow for mounts of either NFS shares or a SMB shares.
Cheers,
I thought this thread was about USB storage. No one is doubting that DISH can have the ethernet jack attach to home LANs,WANs, hell even each others subs VIPs. I still don't see how any of that has to do with external storage. There is no way DISH will enable recording or archiving to network shares. Could you imagine a CSR trouble shooting a stuttering picture being streamed over someones encrypted home network.
Let's get real. External USB storage is going to be awsome. If you want to archive, you will need a USB drive plain and simple.
And NO you can't hook up a USB cable from a VIP to a PC and use some of a free partition.
Let's get real. External USB storage is going to be awsome. If you want to archive, you will need a USB drive plain and simple.
And NO you can't hook up a USB cable from a VIP to a PC and use some of a free partition.
I'm certainly no expert in this area but, in IMHO it's not really that far-fetched of an idea...
I was a DSL sub with Verizon before they provided "support" for Linksys brand routers. As they developed market share, they evolved their equipment and consequently their support of that equipment to include home LAN's. Responses from Verizon CSR's went from, "I'm sorry sir but, we can't help you with your Linksys router..." to "Can you tell me what your DHCP table says..."
On the surface of it, this may not appear to relate to external HDD storage but, with E* also poised to debut some form of IPTV (DishOnline), it would seem that they're going to have to offer some form of home networking support anyway. If this "coming soon" feature ever actually comes to pass, I can't imagine "broadband set-up" working with 100% reliability in every case...
Just my $.02
Yea you are probably right. DISH doesn't even have external USB drives archiving yet, but they will probably jump right into HD programs archiving over home networks.
Makes sense. :up
I am sure the RIAA will probably insist that it saves in a format playable from the computer.
Everyone needs to understand DISHs plans for external storage is limited to USB.
Their VOD via IP is a totally separate endeavor.
Don't get me wrong, I want my cake and to eat it too. Just like the rest of ya. I am just tuned in enough to know what is doable and what is not.
Makes sense. :up
I am sure the RIAA will probably insist that it saves in a format playable from the computer.
Everyone needs to understand DISHs plans for external storage is limited to USB.
Their VOD via IP is a totally separate endeavor.
Don't get me wrong, I want my cake and to eat it too. Just like the rest of ya. I am just tuned in enough to know what is doable and what is not.
Yea you are probably right. DISH doesn't even have external USB drives archiving yet, but they will probably jump right into HD programs archiving over home networks.
Makes sense. :up
I am sure the RIAA will probably insist that it saves in a format playable from the computer.
Everyone needs to understand DISHs plans for external storage is limited to USB.
Their VOD via IP is a totally separate endeavor.
Don't get me wrong, I want my cake and to eat it too. Just like the rest of ya. I am just tuned in enough to know what is doable and what is not.
Whether the content is stored on an External USB drive or network shares is irrelevant. The encryption protocol is an entirely seperate layer from the drives.
Properly constructed, the encryption layer could be very robust.
So, no, I don't think it's unworkable by any stretch of the imagination.
Best,
So I guess you've never heard of putting a Macintosh into "disk mode"?
For those who are unfamiliar with the term, older Macs with on-board SCSI could be put into a mode where they appeared to be a SCSI hard drive, so they could be connected to the SCSI bus on another Mac. Normally, you can't put two Macs (or two initiators period) on the same SCSI bus since they both want to have the same SCSI ID (7).
I'm in the engineering field, and I get a kick out of techs who think they actually know something and refer to themselves as "being in the IT field". That's not something you want to brag about.
If you take the HD out of a 622vip and put it in a external USB enclosure, can you read that drive in a pc (even running LINUX)? NO
So DISH archiving to a USB drive is pretty secure as far as .ts files making there way to the internet.
Now if DISH were to archive to a network share, it would have to be in a file that sits in a directory that someone would then write a app to convert to a unencrypted .ts file and upload to the net.
It doesn't take a genius to realize which one DISH has more control over (and is more secure). But if it does, I accept the compliment.
Also it's great to have these conversations about what is "technically" doable. But my comments were to bring some reality to any thoughts that DISH has an archiving strategy that goes beyond a USB HD. I am sorry if you don't want to hear the truth.
So DISH archiving to a USB drive is pretty secure as far as .ts files making there way to the internet.
Now if DISH were to archive to a network share, it would have to be in a file that sits in a directory that someone would then write a app to convert to a unencrypted .ts file and upload to the net.
It doesn't take a genius to realize which one DISH has more control over (and is more secure). But if it does, I accept the compliment.
Also it's great to have these conversations about what is "technically" doable. But my comments were to bring some reality to any thoughts that DISH has an archiving strategy that goes beyond a USB HD. I am sorry if you don't want to hear the truth.
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I'm in the "IT field" which is to say I'm a software, systems and network engineer for a Fortune 100 company. What's your point?
Well you seem to have a couple of issues starting with hubris and ending with lack of knowledge about what constitutes a PC these days.
1) Network shares does not mean PC. There are several home/SOHO products specifically the Infrant ReadyNAS NV; Buffalo Terastation/Terastation Pro that are hardware RAID5 devices. This allows you to build RAID 5s as large as 3.0TB usable with the new Hitachi 1GB spindles.
2) PCs these days aren't quite as simple as they used to be. For example I'm working on a machine that supports Multi-Raid. The OS will be mirrored on a pair of drives; while the main storage for media will be on a 4 drive RAID5 array. My MB is by no means high-end but between the cheap ASICs and the increased speed of SATA (and to a lesser part traditional PATA) makes this a feasible solution for MB based solutions.
3) Linux is a quite robust OS solution as well; and NFS or SMB shares are a perfectly legitimate PC based storage method.
I'm keenly aware of the various smaller scale solutions out there. Are you?
I'm in the "IT field" which is to say I'm a software, systems and network engineer for a Fortune 100 company. What's your point?
Well you seem to have a couple of issues starting with hubris and ending with lack of knowledge about what constitutes a PC these days.
1) Network shares does not mean PC. There are several home/SOHO products specifically the Infrant ReadyNAS NV; Buffalo Terastation/Terastation Pro that are hardware RAID5 devices. This allows you to build RAID 5s as large as 3.0TB usable with the new Hitachi 1GB spindles.
2) PCs these days aren't quite as simple as they used to be. For example I'm working on a machine that supports Multi-Raid. The OS will be mirrored on a pair of drives; while the main storage for media will be on a 4 drive RAID5 array. My MB is by no means high-end but between the cheap ASICs and the increased speed of SATA (and to a lesser part traditional PATA) makes this a feasible solution for MB based solutions.
3) Linux is a quite robust OS solution as well; and NFS or SMB shares are a perfectly legitimate PC based storage method.
I'm keenly aware of the various smaller scale solutions out there. Are you?
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Actually all you need to do is capture Dish's encrypted stream and store it as a file. Also, it doesn't matter what extension you place on it; that's a PC/Windows convention. Since the target machine is a Linux box; it doesn't matter what the extension is. The player is playing back a data stream (encrypted or plain text) regardless of whether that stream is stored locally via internal disk or USB or if it were to be streamed from a centralized storage solution.
Decryption even with modern PCs can be quite a compute intensive task; especially when we talk about 256-bit keys or longer. A brute force attack is highly unlikely to work in the amount of time that the content is valuable. No encryption scheme is unbreakable by brute force methods. It is relatively easy to implement any number of publically tested and validated encryption systems with longer keys to do the job.
It doesn't take a genius to realize which one DISH has more control over (and is more secure). But if it does, I accept the compliment.
Also it's great to have these conversations about what is "technically" doable. But my comments were to bring some reality to any thoughts that DISH has an archiving strategy that goes beyond a USB HD. I am sorry if you don't want to hear the truth.
Well with the Buffalo Quattro now shipping; a 4-drive USB RAID with 1.5 usable Terabytes is possible. However these "canned" solutions are typically more expensive than PC based solutions. This is especially true if you have a centralized media server for the home.
Truth? Well you will certainly never get the feature if you don't ask for it.
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Any device that fools the 622 into thinking it is ONE USB HD should work and will be a great, massive, storage solution. But up until now that hasn't been the discussion on this thread.
Any network storage discussion that has been posted so far has been linked to the rj45 port not the USB port of the 622. If someone can write a linux app that can fool the 622 then so be it, but you will still need to use a USB cable. And that in itself is still not network storage, it's PC storage.
I am now bowing out of any further "network storage" coming to the 622 because it is NOT going to happen.
As far as DISH giving us external storage, I will anxiously await the moment when I can hook up my 500gb drive via USB.
JULY of what year is the question? This is Dish you know. I think they have promised nbr features for the 500 series of dvrs now for over two years and they haven't delivered yet.
Im also curious whether or not the 211 will have external HD, since it has USB port... 2.0 I think.
I thought about upgrading to the 622 but I already have HD programming. So no $100 rebate. I also read in a couple places that the fine print of the $50 credit says it is only for those who have been with Dish for at least a year. But dont quote me on that one. So I figure if I am going to upgrade I will wait till the next one with the bigger drive comes out. Hopefully that one wont be too much. June really isnt THAT far away. Yes Ive been reading its June. Knock on wood, as they say.
Im only on my 5th month out of 18 with HD Silver. But maybe if I offer to upgrade programming to Americas Top 180 (240 now?) they will give me a rebate then ;-)
I thought about upgrading to the 622 but I already have HD programming. So no $100 rebate. I also read in a couple places that the fine print of the $50 credit says it is only for those who have been with Dish for at least a year. But dont quote me on that one. So I figure if I am going to upgrade I will wait till the next one with the bigger drive comes out. Hopefully that one wont be too much. June really isnt THAT far away. Yes Ive been reading its June. Knock on wood, as they say.
Im only on my 5th month out of 18 with HD Silver. But maybe if I offer to upgrade programming to Americas Top 180 (240 now?) they will give me a rebate then ;-)
211/411 and 622 are different classes; regular receiver like 211 doesn't have DVR functions at all.
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