Apartment - defining "exclusive" vs "common" use areas

javijavi

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Hi, another typical apartment dweller here bumping heads with management about the legality of installing a Dish. They promote comcast cable here and ban all satellite dishes from installations of any sort. After discussing it with them they even bad the brass to say I couldnt put a dish in my own living room behind closed doors! (What next, they going to tell me I cant own a flat screen tv?) Clearly they are uninformed, so I have emailed them all the necessary FCC documentation that we are all familiar with here.

My question is how to define whats not considered my exclusive area. Clearly the patio is, however I live on a ground floor unit which has an outdoor closet and sidewalk appx 2-3 meters that connects with it. This area is towards the rear of my apartment, however it is not fenced in. There is an overhanging portion of the roof that protects this outdoor patio area that you could stand under if it were raining for example. I am wondering to what extent is the ground considered my personal area before it is considered general walking space? Is there a definable 5 foot radius around all entrances/exits to your apartment that are considered yours? Clearly the neighbors could not just put up a couple of chairs and hang out behind my back door just b/c it is on the ground floor.
 
Is the patio only used by you? If so, thats your EXCLUSIVE area

If its a common patio, then its sketchy.

Obviously you'd have to do a tripod setup and the apt complex could say "no holes" which then you'd have to figure out a way to get the wires into the house
 
Yes it is only used by me. I am curious if any area around the perimeter in the dirt would be considered mine? Like if there is a general clause which states you have right to a 1 foot distance around the perimeter of the property you rent. I know it's a long shot, but it's worth a chance.
 
Does it really matter? The FCC law renders any contract void an unenforceable. Mgmt did inform me that I signed a specific secondary agreement that clearly outlines my willingness NOT to pursue satellite dishes. That this contract was drafted so there would never be any gray area with the tenants. But such a contract has as much weight as signing one which allows mgmt to have sex with my girlfriend every wednesday. The federal laws supersede any such contract.
 
You need to read what you signed.

Here is the problem.... whether you can have a Dish or not depends on how they worded that contract.

They are not allowed to tell people, either verbally or in writing that they can't have a satellite dish.... therefore any "contract" saying such, means nothing.

HOWEVER, if the contract says something to the effect of "By signing this, you agree to not pursue installation of a satellite dish as a condition of living here".... you have no case. If you put up a Dish, you are in violation of your lease.
 
This is Directly from the FCC OTARD FCC Fact Sheet on Placement of Antennas

On October 25, 2000, the Commission further amended the rule so that it applies to customer-end antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals. This amendment became effective on May 25, 2001.

The rule applies to individuals who place antennas that meet size limitations on property that they own or rent and that is within their exclusive use or control, including condominium owners and cooperative owners, and tenants who have an area where they have exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio, in which to install the antenna. The rule applies to townhomes and manufactured homes, as well as to single family homes.

The rule allows local governments, community associations and landlords to enforce restrictions that do not impair the installation, maintenance or use of the types of antennas described above, as well as restrictions needed for safety or historic preservation.

Under some circumstances where a central or common antenna is available, a community association or landlord may restrict the installation of individual antennas.

The rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium or cooperative owners where the antenna user does not have an exclusive use area. Such common areas may include the roof or exterior wall of a multiple dwelling unit. Therefore, restrictions on antennas installed in or on such common areas are enforceable



Clear as Mud?

This may help

Q: What types of antennas are covered by the rule?

A: The rule applies to the following types of antennas:

(1) A "dish" antenna that is one meter (39.37") or less in diameter (or any size dish if located in Alaska) and is designed to receive direct broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service, or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite.

(2) An antenna that is one meter or less in diameter or diagonal measurement and is designed to receive video programming services via broadband radio service (wireless cable) or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals other than via satellite.

(3) An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast signals. Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements.

In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on "masts" to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule.

Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?

A: The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule. For example, the rule would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation that requires such drilling.

Q: Does the rule apply to condominiums or apartment buildings if the antenna is installed so that it hangs over or protrudes beyond the balcony railing or patio wall?

A: No. The rule does not prohibit restrictions on antennas installed beyond the balcony or patio of a condominium or apartment unit if such installation is in, on, or over a common area. An antenna that extends out beyond the balcony or patio is usually considered to be in a common area that is not within the scope of the rule. Therefore, the rule does not apply to a condominium or rental apartment unit unless the antenna is installed wholly within the exclusive use area, such as the balcony or patio.

Q: Does the fact that management or the association has the right to enter these areas mean that the resident does not have exclusive use?

A: No. The fact that the building management or the association may enter an area for the purpose of inspection and/or repair does not mean that the resident does not have exclusive use of that area. Likewise, if the landlord or association regulates other uses of the exclusive use area (e.g., banning grills on balconies), that does not affect the viewer's rights under the Commission's rule. This rule permits persons to install antennas on property over which the person has either exclusive use or exclusive control. Note, too, that nothing in this rule changes the landlord's or association's right to regulate use of exclusive use areas for other purposes. For example, if the lease prohibits antennas and flags on balconies, only the prohibition of antennas is eliminated by this rule; flags would still be prohibited.

Q: Does the rule apply to residents of rental property?

A: Yes. Effective January 22, 1999, renters may install antennas within their leasehold, which means inside the dwelling or on outdoor areas that are part of the tenant's leased space and which are under the exclusive use or control of the tenant. Typically, for apartments, these areas include balconies, balcony railings, and terraces. For rented single family homes or manufactured homes which sit on rented property, these areas include the home itself and patios, yards, gardens or other similar areas. If renters do not have access to these outside areas, the tenant may install the antenna inside the rental unit. Renters are not required to obtain the consent of the landlord prior to installing an antenna in these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof or the exterior walls of an apartment building. Generally, balconies or patios that are shared with other people or are accessible from other units are not considered to be exclusive use areas.

Q: Are there restrictions that may be placed on residents of rental property?

A: Yes. A restriction necessary to prevent damage to leased property may be reasonable. For example, tenants could be prohibited from drilling holes through exterior walls or through the roof. However, a restriction designed to prevent ordinary wear and tear (e.g., marks, scratches, and minor damage to carpets, walls and draperies) would likely not be reasonable provided the antenna is installed wholly within the antenna user's own exclusive use area. In addition, rental property is subject to the same protection and exceptions to the rule as owned property. Thus, a landlord may impose other types of restrictions that do not impair installation, maintenance or use under the rule. The landlord may also impose restrictions necessary for safety or historic preservation.

More Ammo for You

As directed by Congress in Section 207 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the Federal Communications Commission adopted the Over-the-Air Reception Devices (“OTARD”) rule concerning governmental and nongovernmental restrictions on viewers' ability to receive video programming signals from direct broadcast satellites ("DBS"), broadband radio service providers (formerly multichannel multipoint distribution service or MMDS), and television broadcast stations ("TVBS").

The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.

Effective January 22, 1999, the Commission amended the rule so that it also applies to rental property where the renter has an exclusive use area, such as a balcony or patio.
On October 25, 2000, the Commission further amended the rule so that it applies to customer-end antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals. This amendment became effective on May 25, 2001.

Hope this helps
 
Yes i actually pasted all of that in a nice letter to my management before registering on this site. What I find shocking is that as a test of his understanding of leasing terms, I actually asked whether I could install a dish in my own living room completely behind closed doors, and he said NO! I really dont see how any lease or contract could EVER forbid something like this. Clearly my apt complex is just in bed with the local cable company receiving some sort of kickback for monopolizing the local television service.

I guess ultimately what it boils down to is if there is ever such a contract that can be signed that waives your rights to laws already granted to you by the federal government. For instance, I cant sign a contract giving management the right to punch me in the face twice a week, thereby waiving my rights as a human being not to be assaulted. Regardless of any such contract an unprovoked physical attack would always be considered assault, and is always preempted by the law. The FCC regulation here makes specific mention of such a clause, that it preempts any contacts signed into a lease regarding OTA reception devices.

A few people have here given me concern that I can waive those rights, just want to make sure they are wrong.
 
Yes i actually pasted all of that in a nice letter to my management before registering on this site. What I find shocking is that as a test of his understanding of leasing terms, I actually asked whether I could install a dish in my own living room completely behind closed doors, and he said NO! I really dont see how any lease or contract could EVER forbid something like this. Clearly my apt complex is just in bed with the local cable company receiving some sort of kickback for monopolizing the local television service.

I guess ultimately what it boils down to is if there is ever such a contract that can be signed that waives your rights to laws already granted to you by the federal government. For instance, I cant sign a contract giving management the right to punch me in the face twice a week, thereby waiving my rights as a human being not to be assaulted. Regardless of any such contract an unprovoked physical attack would always be considered assault, and is always preempted by the law. The FCC regulation here makes specific mention of such a clause, that it preempts any contacts signed into a lease regarding OTA reception devices.

A few people have here given me concern that I can waive those rights, just want to make sure they are wrong.


You're going to have to contact the FCC no matter what obviously. If you put a Dish up, it sounds like they will either remove it, fine you and/or attempt to evict you....

Even if someone here could give you a definite Yes or No... it wouldn't matter. You would still end up having to contact the FCC.
 

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