I never understood why they didn't just build in an ota tuner like they used to with the 722/622/211k receivers. Would of made this whole problem a non issue right now. Better yet they could of built a small thin ota receiver that plugs into the usb connection of the hopper and be integrated into the guide and would give you two ota tuners. This box could be wireless/wired and allow you to use the internet for all ota guide information for ALL ota channels & subs channels. Kind of like the Directv ota box that fits on top of the regular hd receiver and lets you record ota channels. Then DISH could of charged the subs for an ota receiver instead of a dongle and the subs would of got two ota tuners instead of one, complete with full guide information. Everyone would be happy. They could still do this if they wanted to. They could call it the Hopper "ROO" like in Kangaroo. I give them my full permission to use my idea. So Make it so.