AMC14 The Rescue mission: Lunar Burn may be a reality.

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In a way I was wrong about the Clark belt thing. I posted what I found to be true, what I was trying to explain in my mind but didn't transfer to the keyboard. Its all a learning experience. Obviously the bird hasn't fallen to earth so its up there pretty far. The question is how long can it stay like how it is?
 
goaliebob99 said:
In a way I was wrong about the Clark belt thing. I posted what I found to be true, what I was trying to explain in my mind but didn't transfer to the keyboard. Its all a learning experience. Obviously the bird hasn't fallen to earth so its up there pretty far. The question is how long can it stay like how it is?
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The answer to your question is simple, indefinitely as long as the orbit is stable. Is the orbit stable? I don't know. I would assume so.
 
As John and others have mentioned, at this point the key issue is: Has AMC, SEC, or ILS been in contact with AMC-14? Is the bird alive and able to respond to commands?
 
Everyone seems to agree that AsiaSat 3 aka HGS-1 aka PAS 22 was saved. But what does "saved" mean. It was never used for it's intended purpose. It was in an inclined orbit at best. It had very limited use and was sent into a junk orbit in 2002 and is currently drifting around the earth essentially as space debris.

I think AMC 14 will be written off as a complete loss. But similar to AsiaSat 3, they will try to put it into geosynchronous orbit and place it in some obscure location to test out it's next-generation phased array antenna. I don't expect it to be used by Dish Network at 61.5 degrees West.
 
photoman76 said:
Everyone seems to agree that AsiaSat 3 aka HGS-1 aka PAS 22 was saved. But what does "saved" mean. It was never used for it's intended purpose. It was in an inclined orbit at best. It had very limited use and was sent into a junk orbit in 2002 and is currently drifting around the earth essentially as space debris.

I think AMC 14 will be written off as a complete loss. But similar to AsiaSat 3, they will try to put it into geosynchronous orbit and place it in some obscure location to test out it's next-generation phased array antenna. I don't expect it to be used by Dish Network at 61.5 degrees West.
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Exactly! AsaSat 3 was completely written off by the insurer, and was essentially given to Hughes in exchange for a cut on any profit that might be made. Also, AsiaSat sufered damage due to its trip around the moon -- one of two solar panels failed to deploy.

Now, the situation with AsiaSat was more extreme I understand. But, what SES and, more importantly, their insurer will need to determine is the likelihood of success and potential lifetime left with any recovery operations, and whether or not those operations leave any profit margin. Not only would a recovery take time, it likely won't be cheap.

It's even possible that the insurer will pay out the policy, gve the satellite to some other satellite company like AsiaSat/Hughes, and then Charlie coud lease the space from that company. :)
 
mattopia said:
...it likely won't be cheap.

It's even possible that the insurer will pay out the policy, gve the satellite to some other satellite company like AsiaSat/Hughes, and then Charlie coud lease the space from that company. :)
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You are not too far from what I just said.

First off based on what I read the bird is in contact with the command center, so let's assume it is in good condition.

And let's assume the launch insurance will be paid off. It seems to me it is then up to Charlie to figure out if he is willing to take some risk and agree to take in the bird at a cost, enough so SES is willing to go through the expense and trouble to try to lift the bird into orbit and test it.

Of course even if the lift attempt is successful, the test may not work, and Charlie will be out some money. Because at that point no insurance will cover it.

But Charlie is a betting man, if he can collect enough info in a short time to be comfortable that the bird is indeed in good health, and a reasonable residual life can be estimated, why not give it a try if he can own the bird for penny on the dollar?
 
Only question is how long will all this take. They would have to work out a plan with the insurance companies, then they would have to calculate the lowest fuel burning method, then they might have to fly it around the moon. It could be months and months for everything to be settled. I have a feeling the insurance part is not going to be settled any time soon.
 
mike123abc said:
Only question is how long will all this take. They would have to work out a plan with the insurance companies, then they would have to calculate the lowest fuel burning method, then they might have to fly it around the moon. It could be months and months for everything to be settled. I have a feeling the insurance part is not going to be settled any time soon.
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Certainly all valid concerns, but I don't know the answer so I am not going to speculate, all I am saying is there is this possibility (no matter how unlikely it may be) exists that Charlie can even benefit from, he has done so in the past, remember he bought the VOOM bird for cheap? He is known to be shrewed when there is danger involved.

Does he always succeed? Of course not, in fact he has lost his bets more so than not lately, but if anyone, you must admit he is the perfect candidate to play this game.
 
Everyone seems to have forgotten (again), that this isn't Charlie's bird. E* was just leasing transponders. So, he's going to have no say on what happens to it.

If it does make to 61.5, then he'll have to worry about renegotiating the lease to match the expected new lifetime of the sat.
 
I am absolutely floored at how people in denial can forget so much about the basic laws of physics.

I have seen more unscientific wishful thinking posted here than I could have imagined possible.

The center of any orbit around a single body must be around the center of mass of that body. It obviously gets more complicated if it is orbiting two or more bodies, but we are not talking about that here. What does that mean? It means that any orbit around the earth is above some diameter of the earth, not a latitude line. If a sat has a high point in orbit of 70 deg N latitude, it will pass through 70 deg S latitude as well. If it is in a geosynchronous orbit, the net effect will be that it oscillates in elevation in a period of 1 cycle/day. E4 works because the tilt of the orbit is small (.5 degree) which means it only moves up and down <1/2 degree as seen from earth. This is less than the aperature of the dish. If it was significantly more, we would need to have a motor on the dish changing elevation to track the satellite.

Sirius works because the power is higher, the bandwidth less, they have frequency exclusivity and the receiver uses a semi omnidirectional antenna.

Oh yeah. The more I read, the more I believe that AMC-14 is totally toast and they will de-orbit. Sorry folks.
 
I keep seeing the talk about the insurance coverage, is it even know for a fact if there is insurance on this satellite and what kind, for covering the launch or the operation of AMC-14 once it's operational? If there's no insurance coverage that could speed the decision process up a bit.
 
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